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US blocks all offshore wind construction, says reason is classified

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Re: US blocks all offshore wind construction, says reason is classified

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But one is enforced (nuclear security) and coal is not. p.s. ICE cars are literally spewing cancer fumes right into kids faces. 0 fucks given. If anything people try to frame EVs as actual devil.

Except that modern car engines are vastly improved over their 1970’s carburettor fed, catalytic convertered, counterparts.

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Re: US blocks all offshore wind construction, says reason is classified

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Sure. We can always imagine an excuse to avoid dealing with the obvious reality. I don't think it's productive though.

A conspiracy is not the obvious reality.

Unless the conspiracy is being done by malicious idiots with too much power.

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I actually believe the radar surveillance excuse (on a technicalities only), if that's what this is going to come down to. The ocean is a big empty place and prime for picking up radar reflections as the background is pretty quiet. However... how on earth was this not identified like 10 years ago way before these projects were even started? Seems pretty obvious in hindsight.

There is a Belgian company that can use temperarure & other fluctuations in underseas power & cimmunication cables to detect nearby objects etc. I'm sure they are willing to help the US navy if they can convince them the US is a solid NATO partner… ( oh, wait, that might have become difficult…)

Re: US blocks all offshore wind construction, says reason is classified

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Result first (kill anything not carbon-based), find rationale later. Same applies to how this admin forced layoffs at the green energy (hydro + nuclear) behemoth BPA [1] (which was funded entirely by ratepayers, not the federal government) then claimed an energy emergency to keep open coal plants serving the same geographies, coal plants that were already uneconomical and planned for shut down (or re-tooling to gas i…

>in service of one outcome - kill renewable energy. Also killing all humans, what idiots.

Not all humans, just the ones that can't afford buy property in low risk areas, start companies to help people move, etc. and for those who can, appreciating investments galore!

Re: US blocks all offshore wind construction, says reason is classified

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But one is enforced (nuclear security) and coal is not. p.s. ICE cars are literally spewing cancer fumes right into kids faces. 0 fucks given. If anything people try to frame EVs as actual devil.

Except that modern car engines are vastly improved over their 1970’s carburettor fed, catalytic convertered, counterparts.

Go and run your car in garage lol.

I swear HN is infested with bots now.

Re: US blocks all offshore wind construction, says reason is classified

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Occam's Razor: offshore wind requires a lot of rare earths for their magnets and whatnot. US military-industrial complex needs the little remaining global supply not under China's export controls.

So, let's halt projects for which most fabrication of components is already completed?

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Intentionally doing damage started with DOGE. So, roughly day 1.

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Do you honestly think federal employees are more corrupt than this administration?

Re: US blocks all offshore wind construction, says reason is classified

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I looked into this a little because I was curious. I guess the ostensible "national security" rationale (which clearly is not the only reason!) for this is that turbines severely degrade the utility of radar surveillance along the coastlines. This is particularly relevant for low-altitude incursions and drones. Now, other large governments (UK) have resolved this in several ways, including the deployment of additiona…

UK has a much smaller coastline, so it might be more cost efficient for them to install extra radars. Also I'm sure the wind turbines interfere in acoustic submarine detection due to the noise they generate.

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US deploys nuclear energy at over $10/watt meanwhile solar and wind are deployed around $2/watt (for levelized cost of electricity) including battery storage which means they are deployed for roughly the same cost as natural gas (so, direct competitors). Don't let comments like this fool you, nuclear is far from being competitive with natural gas. Even in countries like south korea that can deploy nuclear the cheapes…

This comment is also misleading. First, $/watt is not how levelized cost of electricity is measured, you need to use $/watt-hour (or more commonly, $/MWh) over the lifetime of the project. By definition, levelized cost of electricity does not include storage. The cost is also affected by the percent of energy coming from wind+solar+batteries vs. from natural gas. Wind+solar+batteries are cheap when they are used to s…

Thanks for that.

A cost model has a lot of independent variables. It can be a weird function of the quantity you want of each technology. Not everything gets cheaper at scale. And you need to be able to manage time-varying demand.

For easy example: a few solar or wind farms cost $X to bring up, but to go large scale you need to also store or transmit the energy, plus keep fallback options. That makes 95% or 100% reliance prohibitive.

There is also the speed of powering on/off. Gas combined cycle turbines are fastest to come online/go offline, followed by hydroelectric (if you have it). Coal and nuclear are at the slow end. You need to have the ability to match total sources and loads at any time.

Just some intuition why total cost is a complex function.

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> we crossed into the realm of intentionally doing damage That occurred a long time ago with the destruction of USAID and arbitrary firing of large numbers of federal workers.

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What other things should we destroy because you can vaguely describe something you consider wasteful?
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