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Over 40% of deceased drivers in vehicle crashes test positive for THC: Study

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Post by illiac786 »

alfiedotwtf wrote: post #422
michaelteter wrote: post #409

This seems like an intentionally misleading title, since they don't mention that the study was for one county (Montgomery County) in Ohio, which is basically just Dayton, OH and surrounding rural area - I'm sure you can pick other counties in the US which have either very high representation of THC users or very low representations. Without knowing how other counties score in terms of driver fatalities and THC, this…

Upvoted! I’ve applied this same rule when reading news or watching tv - if your immediate reaction is shock, surprise, or anger, think of a list of organisations who would monetarily benefit [1] from that article or show etc. Nobody does a news story for the fun of it unless it genuinely IS news, but it’s been shown [2] that over 70% is PR pieces trying to make you think one way or another. [1] money talks, and bulls…

The news outlet makes money if it’s shocking or surprising, you don’t have to search any further. Your logic is flawed here I believe.

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Post by Ylpertnodi »

stuffn wrote: post #440
michaelteter wrote: post #409

This seems like an intentionally misleading title, since they don't mention that the study was for one county (Montgomery County) in Ohio, which is basically just Dayton, OH and surrounding rural area - I'm sure you can pick other counties in the US which have either very high representation of THC users or very low representations. Without knowing how other counties score in terms of driver fatalities and THC, this…

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"Weed addicts".

Re: Over 40% of deceased drivers in vehicle crashes test positive for THC: Study

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Post by illiac786 »

nateb2022 wrote: post #421
michaelteter wrote: post #409

This seems like an intentionally misleading title, since they don't mention that the study was for one county (Montgomery County) in Ohio, which is basically just Dayton, OH and surrounding rural area - I'm sure you can pick other counties in the US which have either very high representation of THC users or very low representations. Without knowing how other counties score in terms of driver fatalities and THC, this…

To give some statistical context, as of 2023, about 16.11% of people in the US have used cannabis in the past year; per that same dataset, about 16.53% of Ohio residents. [1] Given that Ohio’s usage metrics align closely with the national mean, I think it's fair to use the state as a proxy for broader domestic trends. Per more Pew Research data, also from 2023, Ohio seems to have an average, if not a less than averag…

Thanks for the data. While it does need more cross referencing it would indicated that deceased drivers are more than twice as likely to have traces of THC. We need to eliminate non-drivers but I think the proportion of drivers with traces of THC will remain higher with drivers than in the overall population.

Next, same stat for alcohol, that would be interesting.

Maybe adapt the THC threshold a bit to really only count people who recently consumed THC.

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Post by immibis »

randerson wrote: post #243
littlestymaar wrote: post #228

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The problem is how do you enforce that though. The modern world is so cat centric people would rather drive without a license than accept to live without a car. And until you can reliably catch and jail license-less drivers, the bet is worth it for them.

If they were to catch and jail just 1% of license-less drivers, in a visible way, it would be a deterrent to the other 99%. But the rate of being caught & punished is negligible (at least in the states I've lived in) so people know they'll get away with it. I previously lived in a country where the cops set up random roadblocks to check everyone's license & registration and look for signs of intoxication. When there'…

How much of a deterrent can the police possibly impose that would outweigh the deterrent for not driving illegally, which (in your country) is being starving and homeless?

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Post by IshKebab »

Aurornis wrote: post #159

Some helpful context: The number of Americans age 12 and older who report using any marijuana product at least once in the past year is around 20% (Source https://apnews.com/article/marijuana-cannabis-alcohol-use-di... ) if I use one of the highest reported use numbers I can find. Even if you dismiss all of the questions brought up in these comments like the use of mean levels instead of median, not accounting for to…

You can't drive at 12 though surely? And you have to account for the fact that young people are going to be more likely to die in crashes and more likely to use weed.

This kind of test seems silly. It's going to be far too hard to remove the confounding variables. Much easier just to give people different levels of weed and have them do driving tests. Directly measure their driving skill instead of doing it by shitty proxy like this.

Surely this has been done?

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Post by faidit »

Zak wrote: post #394
Mawr wrote: post #377

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Then you've only ever seen fairly new, modern cars. Seatbelt warnings are a relatively new feature.

Seat belt warnings became mandatory in the USA in 1972[0]. From the mid 1970s until fairly recently, the warning tone would stop after a few seconds. [0] https://www.nationalacademies.org/read/10832/chapter/5

I've known people who would just endure the warning noise until it stopped.

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Post by discreteevent »

eimrine wrote: post #431
vel0city wrote: post #399

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I never understood this though. It seems like more work and even more uncomfortable just to knowingly make things worse for yourself.

Either O B E Y or do what you named as "more work". Different person chooses different way of dealing with annoyances.

Don't fool yourself. In the end you have to obey the laws of physics and the punishment is extremely harsh and permanent.

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Post by cluckindan »

stuffn wrote: post #440
michaelteter wrote: post #409

This seems like an intentionally misleading title, since they don't mention that the study was for one county (Montgomery County) in Ohio, which is basically just Dayton, OH and surrounding rural area - I'm sure you can pick other counties in the US which have either very high representation of THC users or very low representations. Without knowing how other counties score in terms of driver fatalities and THC, this…

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You may have broken the record of fallacies per inch there.

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Post by barbs »

pretzellogician wrote: post #272
wiml wrote: post #214

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The number of people who report using it is only a rough proxy for the number of people who are using it, though.

Yes, very rough. Marijuana still being illegal at the federal level, and often illegal at the state level, means it's not always in your best interest to self-report. For example, in my doctor's questionnaires. "Have you used illegal drugs in the last year?" I'm always going to say no. I don't trust security and privacy enough to say otherwise. And yes, for HN scrapers, I'll mention this is all hypothetical.

Not sure how much it differs from the US, but in Australia disclosing previous drug use is unlikely to provoke any response from authorities. The main drug crimes are possession and selling AFAIK, not using.

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Post by hhh »

boston_clone wrote: post #400
cj wrote: post #367

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I mean weed really doesn't smell good. If you're not turned off by the smell, it's a learned pleasure. Similar to how nearly every child will dislike the taste of alcohol, yet after drinking for a while they'll learn to tolerate or enjoy it. It can be a very overpowering smell. When an odor overpowers, it's harder to discern one scent from another.

there are strains that, to me, smell pleasant. maybe you’re extrapolating a bit? terpenes are what make up most essential oils, in fact.

most essential oils also smell bad in their pure form, you can always sense a smoker or a big essential oils person from their scent from afar
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