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In a U.S. First, New Mexico Opens Doors to Free Child Care for All

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Post by throwaway-11-1 »

WalterBright wrote: post #440
throwaway-11-1 wrote: post #436

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when you say 'individual rights', you should be honest about which classes of people that was referring to. By the way, don't be so defensive, the working poor are being absolutely crushed by capital right now, your guys won!

> you should be honest about which classes of people that was referring to I'll go with "all men" from the Declaration of Independence. > the working poor are being absolutely crushed by capital right now They're being crushed by the government. You cannot make a country wealthy by raising taxes and redistributing the money. > your guys won! I go with the "all men" thang.

were blacks considered men? did it include women? it feels like you're purposely ignoring history

Btw ~40% of the people i've met in homeless outreach have full time jobs, taxes are not what's keeping them homeless. In china 90% of the population own their homes, I'm sorry but the all that libertarian shit is such an obvious myth to protect the rich. Every country I've ever visited with more redistributive policies has a substantially better quality of life

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Post by qgin »

siliconc0w wrote: post #113

My current theory is that we've basically gotten addicted to importing the world's smartest kids so we have been unwilling to invest in our own children.

Another way to say it might be that we've been shielded from the effects of not investing in our own children by the immigration of smart and educated young adults, where countries with less immigration are more acutely aware of how well its own educational system is performing.

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Post by david38 »

ninalanyon wrote: post #261
czhu12 wrote: post #142

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For what its worth, the Economist recently wrote about how universal child care can harm children, citing a study from Quebec. > The trio published their first study in 2005, and the results were damning. Shifting to universal child care appeared to lead to a rise in aggression, anxiety and hyperactivity among Quebecer children, as well as a fall in motor and social skills. The effects were large: anxiety rates doubl…

In Norway every child has a right to a barnehage place (kindergarten). It's not free unless you are poor but it is very affordable at a maximum of about 3 000 NOK per month, about 300 USD, for five full days a week. Children in barnehage learn to be social and cooperative, resilient and adaptable. They play outside in all weathers, learn to put on and take off their outer clothes, to set tables, help each other and t…

Norway accepts they are a homogeneous country. Americans lose their minds at the thought

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Post by crazygringo »

gfiorav wrote: post #394
crazygringo wrote: post #359

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What's your source for saying that most people fail to understand that social welfare programs come from taxes? The concept of where government money comes from is such an obvious fact, I don't understand how you can claim most people don't understand it. People go to work for a paycheck, they pay taxes, and they understand money doesn't grow on trees. This is adulting 101. And no, "subsidized" means a portion of som…

What could possibly be my source for such a claim? Who is funding studies on this topic? My source is my upbringing in Europe and my subsequent long-term residence in two other countries, which provided me with a unique perspective on people’s feelings and beliefs. My source is my diverse life experiences, during which I actively engaged with people from all walks of life as much as I could. I am not making any claim…

You're seriously saying that the majority of Europeans don't understand that social services come from the taxes they pay?

That honestly sounds as plausible to me as saying the majority of Europeans thinkg 2+2=5.

Forgive me if I have a hard time believing you. Because I can definitely tell you Americans understand where their government spending comes from, and I have a hard time believing that Europeans are somehow less educated on this.

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Post by Spivak »

svieira wrote: post #280
Spivak wrote: post #242

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Okay but you do understand that what you're suggesting costs the full salary a woman (because of course it would never be men asked give up their careers) could earn for the family and the economic gains that come with it. Back of the napkin calculation is three trillion dollars of value lost annually . And that's before the knock-on effects of such a massive recession. Household income will drop by 30-40% across the…

It doesn't cost the fully salary of the woman, it redirects it to something that can't be captured by large scale economics. Which, if you're trying to break the backs of the uber wealthy, is an excellent way to do it. > Women won't be put back into financial captivity without a fight This, along with the language of the supposedly "pro-male" camp ("why shackle yourself to someone who will just rough you over for mos…

You go first then. It can be a you cut I choose type thing with gender roles.

Because let me tell you dude I and every other woman is picking the men's package in this deal. You go ahead and be a 50's housewife if you think it's so good. We've had the option to choose if we want that terrible life for 40+ years now and "fuck no" won in a landslide.

Do you know how depressing it is to find out that both my mom and my mother-in-law squirreled away money in a secret bank account just so they could have the tiniest bit of financial independence separate from their husbands. And keep in mind these are men who they both love dearly and are still married to to this day.

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Post by crazygringo »

fragmede wrote: post #390
crazygringo wrote: post #386

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> Describing it as “free” is a marketing tactic that assumes people are stupid. No... it's a statemet of fact that means when I leave the doctor's, I don't have to pull out my checkbook or credit card or wait for a bill to arrive.

But the doctor isn't working for free, the nurse isn't working for free, the receptionist isn't working for free, the machines in the office weren't free, the rent on the office isn't free. Yes, theres no bill that arrives that you pay for directly out of pocket, but the system very much isn’t actually free.

Who on earth thinks the doctor is working for free, or the nurse, or anyone else...?

This is the most strawman of strawmen I might ever have heard.

By your logic, the word "free" should be banished from the English language, because literally nothing could ever be free.

Except, for people who have common sense, "free" means you don't have to pay for the thing directly.

In this case, your taxes get aggregated with everyone else's and then some gets split up into health services. But since there's no direct connection between the two -- you don't get more healthcare if you pay more taxes individually, and you don't get to pay less taxes if you don't go to the doctor -- it's conceptualized as paying taxes on one end, and getting free health care on the other. This is just common sense. Everyone understands how this works. It's the same way we have free schools. Or you think schools aren't actually free either...?

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Post by fragmede »

crazygringo wrote: post #446
fragmede wrote: post #390

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But the doctor isn't working for free, the nurse isn't working for free, the receptionist isn't working for free, the machines in the office weren't free, the rent on the office isn't free. Yes, theres no bill that arrives that you pay for directly out of pocket, but the system very much isn’t actually free.

Who on earth thinks the doctor is working for free, or the nurse, or anyone else...? This is the most strawman of strawmen I might ever have heard. By your logic, the word "free" should be banished from the English language, because literally nothing could ever be free. Except, for people who have common sense, "free" means you don't have to pay for the thing directly . In this case, your taxes get aggregated with ev…

They're not? If you're the type of person to pay taxes, that money gets used to pay the teachers. The pizza restaurant that offers free delivery - that's also not free. They use the money from the customer buying pizza to pay the delivery driver. If you're in a country that allows businesses to get away with that, that might explain your confusion, but not all countries, eg Germany, allow businesses to get away with false advertising like that.

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Post by caseysoftware »

Tade0 wrote: post #368
caseysoftware wrote: post #252

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> At some point it struck me that this is all labour, but there was no money exchanged for the services rendered and certainly no taxes collected. Even worse - without this our neighbours would have to take an inordinate amount of time off, as getting a babysitter was too expensive. How is this bad? Both your and their family benefited directly in terms of trading responsibilities and indirectly in building relations…

What I meant to say is that not only is this labour completely unrecognised as contributing to the overall economy, it's essential labour, without which other, measurable work could not be performed. Bottom line is that the ways we measure economic output are deeply flawed.

> Bottom line is that the ways we measure economic output are deeply flawed.

Yes, 100% agreed.

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Post by frumplestlatz »

russdill wrote: post #428
frumplestlatz wrote: post #423

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Equating racism with the inherent biological sexual dimorphism of childbirth and infant care is certainly a take.

Look, if you want to justify your position by just pointing out that it's the way things have historically been done, expect to have it pointed out how ridiculous you are being. Anyway, Equating child care with the inherent biological sexual dimorphism of childbirth is certainly a take.

You conveniently left off “infant care”. Only one gender lactates, and that’s only the tip of the iceberg.

If you want to talk about “ridiculous”, ignoring reality doesn’t make it any less real, no matter how much you might find it ideologically inconvenient.

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Post by mlrtime »

david38 wrote: post #443
ninalanyon wrote: post #261

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In Norway every child has a right to a barnehage place (kindergarten). It's not free unless you are poor but it is very affordable at a maximum of about 3 000 NOK per month, about 300 USD, for five full days a week. Children in barnehage learn to be social and cooperative, resilient and adaptable. They play outside in all weathers, learn to put on and take off their outer clothes, to set tables, help each other and t…

Norway accepts they are a homogeneous country. Americans lose their minds at the thought

What do you mean?
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