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Re: Android and iPhone users can now share files, starting with the Pixel 10

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Post by nulbyte »

neoecos wrote: post #279
buildbot wrote: post #259

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is anything but the zip code actually checked ever? Besides the number and cv2 or whatever.

No. Credit card transactions cannot check for name or billing a part from the zip code. Also the zip code validation only works in certain countries like the US, and Canada. The way to validate that works is Visa 3DS or MasterCard 3D Secure. Those sent an OTP from the issuer to the cardholder on the issuer database, usually an email or SMS. The issuer of the card is the only who really knows the owner of the card.

> Credit card transactions cannot check for name or billing a part from the zip code.

This is not true. Name and address verification is common.

https://corporate.visa.com/en/solutions/acceptance/verificat...

Re: Android and iPhone users can now share files, starting with the Pixel 10

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madeofpalk wrote: post #417
pdpi wrote: post #387

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can read the actual ruling at https://ec.europa.eu/competition/digital_markets_act/cases/2... This is the "smoking gun" section: 5.4.8. Implementation timing (245) Apple should provide effective interoperability with the P2P Wi-Fi connection feature by implementing the measures for Wi-Fi Aware 4.0 in the next major iOS release, i.e. iOS 19, at the latest, and for Wi-Fi Aware 5.0 in the next iOS release at the lat…

But does Apple use/allow Airdrop over Wi-Fi Aware? It's not clear to me that's something they shipped.

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Re: Android and iPhone users can now share files, starting with the Pixel 10

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Post by pdpi »

madeofpalk wrote: post #417
pdpi wrote: post #387

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can read the actual ruling at https://ec.europa.eu/competition/digital_markets_act/cases/2... This is the "smoking gun" section: 5.4.8. Implementation timing (245) Apple should provide effective interoperability with the P2P Wi-Fi connection feature by implementing the measures for Wi-Fi Aware 4.0 in the next major iOS release, i.e. iOS 19, at the latest, and for Wi-Fi Aware 5.0 in the next iOS release at the lat…

But does Apple use/allow Airdrop over Wi-Fi Aware? It's not clear to me that's something they shipped.

From the same article I linked:

    5.7.8. Implementation timing
    (402) Apple should implement the measures required to enable the scenario of close-range
    wireless file transfers while the receiving device has the relevant close-range wireless
    file transfer solution open by 1 June 2026. Apple should implement all measures for
    the features for close-range wireless file transfer solutions in the release of iOS 20,
    and in any case by the end of 2026.
(§5.7 is 13 pages of exquisitely detailed requirements for Airdrop interop)

Given Apple's usual release timelines, June 2026 is a bit early for iOS 27 (what the ruling calls iOS 20). In between that, the fact that this is a pretty big piece of feature work, and the fact that they were forced to ship other parts by iOS 26, I find it likelier that Apple shipped this in iOS 26, rather than shipping it some time next year as a point release.

Also, you have to consider the timing. Google is shipping this functionality now, a couple of months after the iOS 26 release. It would be just plain weird for Google to ship a reverse-engineered implementation of Apple's old proprietary stack after Apple has definitely already shipped part of the new, interoperable stack.

Re: Android and iPhone users can now share files, starting with the Pixel 10

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Post by rockemsockem »

Nextgrid wrote: post #407
kleiba wrote: post #363

It's amazing how seemingly trivial things turn out to be really hard to be in practice. Like: - sharing files between two phones - printing a page on that printer over there - getting the projector to display my screen (correctly, or at all) - getting my wife not to click on a link in a random email

For the first 3, that's mostly because technology has stopped being a productivity tool and became an ad delivery vehicle with some vestigial (and deteriorating) productivity features.

Except Apple is the one making file sharing hard between non-Apple devices and they aren't making most of their money on ads

Re: Android and iPhone users can now share files, starting with the Pixel 10

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Post by rockemsockem »

Lutzb wrote: post #383
kleiba wrote: post #363

It's amazing how seemingly trivial things turn out to be really hard to be in practice. Like: - sharing files between two phones - printing a page on that printer over there - getting the projector to display my screen (correctly, or at all) - getting my wife not to click on a link in a random email

I am still think that transfering state between devices is the next big thing(tm) waiting to happen. I am working on a file on my macbook, now I want to seamslessly move the whole application working on it to my nearby Windows machine and just continue. Seems impossible right now.

Seems like that would be pretty huge.

Re: Android and iPhone users can now share files, starting with the Pixel 10

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Post by mid-kid »

wackget wrote: post #342

Incredible! In an astounding feat, it has only taken a mere two decades to enable the world's largest tech companies to provide the most basic levels of interopability. At this breakneck speed of technological development, one can only imagine what wonderful boons await consumers in the next few decades.

The astounding feat of reinventing Bluetooth...

Re: Android and iPhone users can now share files, starting with the Pixel 10

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Post by rafaelcosta »

layer8 wrote: post #146

This is based on Wi-Fi Aware: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi-Fi_Alliance#Wi-Fi_Aware Some background: https://www.ditto.com/blog/cross-platform-p2p-wi-fi-how-the-... On the Apple side, this was prompted by the EU Digital Markets Act: https://digital-markets-act.ec.europa.eu/questions-and-answe...

AirDrop works via AWDL, I think you're just wrong...

Re: Android and iPhone users can now share files, starting with the Pixel 10

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Post by deknos »

can please someone build a iphone+ android app which does conveniently what cimbar (cimbar.org) does? than we do need much less of those filesharing activities, because videos go up to a few mb, and bigger than that.. well you can encrypt, share key via such an app and then upload to whereever.

Re: Android and iPhone users can now share files, starting with the Pixel 10

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Post by shaky-carrousel »

jjtech wrote: post #312
layer8 wrote: post #146

This is based on Wi-Fi Aware: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi-Fi_Alliance#Wi-Fi_Aware Some background: https://www.ditto.com/blog/cross-platform-p2p-wi-fi-how-the-... On the Apple side, this was prompted by the EU Digital Markets Act: https://digital-markets-act.ec.europa.eu/questions-and-answe...

I'm pretty sure this is just incorrect. According to the linked report[1], they tested it for compatibility with OpenDrop, so I think they simply implemented AWDL. That might also explain the limited Pixel 10 rollout, if it required a specific WiFi chipset/firmware. [1] https://www.netspi.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/google-fea...

In the last link provided by parent you can read:

> Close-range wireless file transfers: this feature allows to access the same iOS-controlled features as Apple’s services in third-party file sharing apps, creating, for example, alternatives to AirDrop.

As you can read here (https://www.ditto.com/blog/cross-platform-p2p-wi-fi-how-the-...):

> Under pressure from the EU’s Digital Markets Act (DMA), Apple is being forced to ditch its proprietary peer-to-peer Wi-Fi protocol – Apple Wireless Direct Link (AWDL) – in favor of the industry-standard Wi-Fi Aware, also known as Neighbor Awareness Networking (NAN). A quietly published EU interoperability roadmap mandates Apple support Wi-Fi Aware 4.0 in iOS 19 and v5.0,1 thereafter, essentially forcing AWDL into retirement. This post investigates how we got here (from Wi-Fi Direct to AWDL to Wi-Fi Aware), what makes Wi-Fi Aware technically superior, and why this shift unlocks true cross-platform peer-to-peer connectivity for developers.

Re: Android and iPhone users can now share files, starting with the Pixel 10

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Post by shaky-carrousel »

gumby271 wrote: post #433
jjtech wrote: post #312

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm pretty sure this is just incorrect. According to the linked report[1], they tested it for compatibility with OpenDrop, so I think they simply implemented AWDL. That might also explain the limited Pixel 10 rollout, if it required a specific WiFi chipset/firmware. [1] https://www.netspi.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/google-fea...

That's what was confusing to me. It's one thing for Apple to add wifi aware by force, it would be another for them to completely reimplement Airdrop with it. I don't think they were required to do that.

They were required to drop AWDL, yes. They had to reimplement AirDrop.

https://www.ditto.com/blog/cross-platform-p2p-wi-fi-how-the-...

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