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My stages of learning to be a socially normal person

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Re: My stages of learning to be a socially normal person

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A lot of normal people may routinely act charming and game social interactions, but they generally aren't being "manipulative" in the process. "Manipulation" is really just a polite word for routinely lying and BS'ing people on the off-chance that they are going to be fooled and/or not want to call you out on it. If you're reasonably socially skilled, you can usually see it coming a mile away and react accordingly, b…

So for the same set of actions, it's fine if you're unaware of the underlying mechanisms, and manipulation if you are aware? If you dig through the weeds of it you can argue just about everything we do socially is manipulation. We are social because we're social animals and will die without help from other humans (well, particularly thousands of years ago). At the end of the day, we are nice to people to get things f…

The difference is authenticity.

If I get sad or angry when a friend tells me a story, this feeling is a expression of my inner state, not a strategic choice I make to get to a certain place. And this inner state usually translates into how people act later. So if I am enraged how my friend was treated I may be inclined to take steps that help them get even, for example.

Manipulation, however, is when I (feeling nothing), pretend to feel a thing with the goal of getting a certain response.

The border between the two is of course not totally clear-cut and people can manipulate themselves into truly feeling things without following through with any actions etc. So a complex topic, but the reason why the manipulation works in the first place is because the feelings people express towards us are more often than not an expression of how they will act towards us as well. If a guy on the street screams at you, your #1 interpretation won't be that he does it to manipulate you, but that that person is experiencing an actual feeling that may convert to physical action pretty soon.

Re: My stages of learning to be a socially normal person

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>I'm ignoring the first two paragraphs you posted - it's just pointless argumentation on your part that doesn't have anything to do with your illness. No you're not ignoring it because it's irrelevant. You're trying to do so because you're afraid of what you'll find if you did seriously try to answer it. Because it brings shakes a foundational idea that human life is to be held sacred above all. And that's fine, I'm…

"No you're not ignoring it because it's irrelevant. You're trying to do so because you're afraid of what you'll find if you did seriously try to answer it. Because it brings shakes a foundational idea that human life is to be held sacred above all." Of the arguments you think I'm afraid of: 1. A person sacrificing their life for others is not mentally ill (assuming the sacrifice directly achieves the goal - i.e. taki…

I did. My family doctor was aware of my plan, and I can assure you he was quite unhappy about it.

Between him and the psychiatrist he got involved in my case I was on paxil, zoloft, lexapro, and prozac for about 4 years with no effect. And I did follow dosages correctly according to instructions. No change in my mindset, just the unpleasant side effects when we changed or discontinued my medications.

The family doctor eventually retired and the psychiatrist said that there was not much else that could be done. And that was the last time we met.

Re: My stages of learning to be a socially normal person

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"No you're not ignoring it because it's irrelevant. You're trying to do so because you're afraid of what you'll find if you did seriously try to answer it. Because it brings shakes a foundational idea that human life is to be held sacred above all." Of the arguments you think I'm afraid of: 1. A person sacrificing their life for others is not mentally ill (assuming the sacrifice directly achieves the goal - i.e. taki…

I did. My family doctor was aware of my plan, and I can assure you he was quite unhappy about it. Between him and the psychiatrist he got involved in my case I was on paxil, zoloft, lexapro, and prozac for about 4 years with no effect. And I did follow dosages correctly according to instructions. No change in my mindset, just the unpleasant side effects when we changed or discontinued my medications. The family docto…

Honestly, I'm glad you tried. I still hope you change your mind, but I can admit you made a solid case for yourself.

Re: My stages of learning to be a socially normal person

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> I like the challenge of interacting with someone who does things very differently. So this is about you?

Yes, my whole comment was about me and my experiences. That specific point was that I don't see it as a burden that someone is interacting me differently than most people do.

You sound like a nice person, but the typical reaction is different, so the people on the spectrum spend their entire lives training to protect themselves against that, i.e. masking. It would probably take some time to gain their trust.
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