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Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Nothing above links to anything suspicious mate, much less that.

That's not the argument. The argument is that "when someone relays to you a claim of illegal activity, you are not allowed to verify for yourself" is not tenable in a free society. In this particular example, you have admitted to reading the subversive post and therefore your post should also be deleted.

You're engaging with my post so yours is also subversive ay lmao

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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> Just how stupid do you think lawmakers, judges, prosecutors, and police are? Very! Unimaginably so! A friend of mine from Germany received a GIF that contained ONE FRAME of CSAM from someone in a group chat, Whatsapp auto-downloaded it into the gallery, something auto reported it and a month later, cops showed up to take away all his electronic devices. This is apparently a thing people do there, like americans SWA…

> because the report was automated, there wasn't even anyone to sue for a false report Is there a reason the legal entity which deployed the software can't be named? Seems like the next logical step, anyway.

The thing is, it was technically a correct report. One frame of that gif did correpond to a known piece of CSAM (presumably they use some kind of perceptual hashing). The facts that 1) the gif was clearly a sick joke (he described it as a slow motion bullet shot from a movie, landing in something/someone and then flashing the one frame, presumably the intention being "haha, get shot with the child porn bullet"); 2) it was only one inconsequential piece, not a whole collection; 3) it was downloaded automatically from a group chat... are not in scope of the "did this user just upload CSAM to our servers" function (from what I understood, it was triggered by the picture being backed up to Google Photos or Apple's equivalent).

These are all things that, in a functioning system, the police officer receiving the report would take into account. If it's a first report, diaregard. If it's a second, check the file name that was also presumably in the report, see it's a Whatsapp folder and disregard it. If it's a third report or there are multiple pieces, get a warrant to run a CSAM scan on the person's device, go to their apartment, run it, see there's nothing else, close the case. If it's a clear "prank", start investigating the person who sent it.

But since the police are, in general, trigger happy lunatics, you get a full raid instead. And since computer forensics is hard and doesn't pay well, the investigation took many months instead of an afternoon. The fuckup was squarely on the law enforcement side, as well as in the law itself.

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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> Knowingly downloading CSAM is very likely illegal. Put CSAM in a banner ad, and arrest everyone who was served that ad? Post a CSAM photo behind plexiglass on a wall in a public space, and arrest everyone who walks by and glanced at it? Just how stupid do you think lawmakers, judges, prosecutors, and police are? People get arrested for paying for, or sharing CSAM, not just stumbling on a website that might have som…

> Just how stupid do you think lawmakers, judges, prosecutors, and police are? Very! Unimaginably so! A friend of mine from Germany received a GIF that contained ONE FRAME of CSAM from someone in a group chat, Whatsapp auto-downloaded it into the gallery, something auto reported it and a month later, cops showed up to take away all his electronic devices. This is apparently a thing people do there, like americans SWA…

There is no such thing as not to sue anyone. Police can squeeze and lie as much as they want, but there are laws about the abuse of power, false police reporting, obstruction of justice. But it will be expensive as effectively you are going to the court against a state.

Also of course there is a person somewhere behind a keyboard who wrote the software which flags, correctly or incorrectly, files. Their name (Thorn) is kept strictly away from any public testimonial with NDAs with police, because eventually there will be class action lawsuits against them in the USA.

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Generally if you encounter CSAM you should report to your countries appropriate organisation. Skip the police and go straight there to save everyone some time and avoid confusion. This agency will handle notifications etc to the site. USA - https://report.cybertip.org/reporting UK - https://report.iwf.org.uk/org/ (technically the NCA, but they are a catch all reporting target. As a private individual IWF will handle…

The explanation seems a bit incoherent for this case of a french entity. Assuming the complainant has some genuine tip, Which court would actually determine it to be illegal conclusively? (It can’t be a uk or us court, could it?) And who issues the binding order to take it down from the known sites?

The point is that these organisations are in contact with each other and have established channels of funneling reports to each other and relevant legal systems for action.

Making the report is a long way off court action, and it would be unusual for a court to be involved. In most cases the data is connected, documented, and site owners contacted and educated.

Very few countries see accidental/unintentional hosting as a crime (it will fail most reasonableness tests) and fewer are interested in prosecuting one off offenders who can just be asked to stop.

Most countries are very interested in prosecuting the underlying creators and finding and supporting the victims.

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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After I read that emotive response I couldn't help but wondering if this wasn't part of a scheme to help someone cover up a crime. This is how I would have responded:

"Hi,

These do appear to be quite serious crimes. I've sent all the URLs, your email address, emails and responses to the relevant law agencies.

Regards, AdGuard"

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Generally if you encounter CSAM you should report to your countries appropriate organisation. Skip the police and go straight there to save everyone some time and avoid confusion. This agency will handle notifications etc to the site. USA - https://report.cybertip.org/reporting UK - https://report.iwf.org.uk/org/ (technically the NCA, but they are a catch all reporting target. As a private individual IWF will handle…

> Generally if you encounter CSAM you should report to your countries appropriate organisation. So I should report that I consumed child porn? That's a hard pass from me.

Both of the reporting tools I linked allow fully anonymous reports.

If you are consuming or encountering CSAM in a fashion where it is not clear that you are not seeking it out and participating in its acquisition and distribution I suggest that you seek both medical and legal help.

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Actually I think that articles very opening premis is exactly as obviously false as they say the original articles premis is. In other words for example they have not shown that the purpose of a cancer hospital is not in fact to cure 2/3 of cancers. They say it's obviously absurd but that's just a bald assertion with no backing meat. It can absolutely be argued that the hospital is doing exactly what it's intended to…

Having lived in the U.S. for a while, it's apparent the purpose of a hospital is "provide big salaries to top administrators and executives whilst providing enough health care that they can get away with it".

fact

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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The feeling that I have when seeing this investigation is that Waad is a covert ops by right holders like newspapers or the fbi, or some parties like that.

They upload themselves pages with the bad content for then complains about it. Probably they know that no one will care to block or snitch on the website if it is just because it is used to "snapshot" newspaper posts, but CSAM is evil so that is the good excuse to badmouth a service like that.

Similar to what is used currently in Europe to undermine our rights or the cia operation to burn Julian Assange.

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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À simple way to debunk this fake French pretending non-profit complainer is to check it's present in the Répertoire national des associations (RNA)

They are in the RNA: https://www.journal-officiel.gouv.fr/pages/associations-deta...

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Oh please. I've tried to debate politics with people so childishly stupid they thought just giving everyone a million dollars would make everyone rich and solve the world's problems. They thought the government just didn't want to give them the money, like it was a conspiracy to keep them down. I'm tired of it, and I'm tired of people like that having a say in the future of nations. I'm no super genius but I'm done b…

Too bad intelligence isn't the prerequisite to being an elite, so you'll be turned into Soylent Green just like the rest of us. Anyway I'd take those people over someone as elitist and arrogant as you any day.

> I'd take those people over someone as elitist and arrogant as you any day.

Yes, that's how it's done. Take those people, then exclude me. Form your own group without "elitists and arrogants" such as myself.

You get it. You're just like me. You just have... Different exclusion criteria.

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