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Re: ChatGPT Atlas

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The thing I find the most funny about all of these demos is they outsource tasks that are pretty meaningful ... choosing where to hike, learning more about the world around you, instead, you'll be told what to do and live in blissful ignorance. The challenge of living life is also the joy, at least to me. Plus I would never trust a company like openai with all of my personal information. This is definitely just them…

Yes and no. Sometimes friction is just friction.

Re: ChatGPT Atlas

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As a sales engineer, when I'm not pushing random PRs for random demos or infra I'm building, I'm searching for people on LinkedIn in hopes of getting introductions. I tested a really basic LinkedIn search on myself. Atlas confidently failed successfully [0]; Kagi [1] and Google [2] nailed it. This is a perfect example as to why I don't think LLMs should replace search engines any time soon. Search engines help you fi…

I disagree. With chatgpt I don't search, I ask. Chatgpt explains, I ask again, and refine and refine. Ask back for sources, etc. When in doubt, I copy/paste a statement and I search for it with Google. And then Google LLM kicks in. If it's consistent with chatgpt, I am still wanting to see the links/sources. If not, I notify chatgpt of the "wrong" information, and move on. 70-80% of search is dead. But of course sear…

You might be right about search being "dead." Nonetheless, I think this is a hugely detrimental development.

Hallucinations and misrepresentations aside, my problem with LLMs as search engines is that they purport to give you "the truth" based on the "truth" it thinks you want to see from your query.

While I think LLMs do a much better job of natural language search than search engines do, they also remove the critical thinking that's employed in going through a list of results, processing the information therein and rendering a result.

LLMs might short-circuit the need to trawl through that "crappy blog," but they can, just as well, exclude key information in that blog that adds important context to what you're looking for.

You're doing the right thing by continuously refining your answer and cross-checking it with other LLMs, but I'm sure you've also met many people who use the Gemini AI overview answer and call it a day (which has been hilariously wrong in some searches I've done with it). Regardless, I still strongly believe that well-formed search queries beat rounds of refining LLMs every time.

Re: ChatGPT Atlas

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As a sales engineer, when I'm not pushing random PRs for random demos or infra I'm building, I'm searching for people on LinkedIn in hopes of getting introductions. I tested a really basic LinkedIn search on myself. Atlas confidently failed successfully [0]; Kagi [1] and Google [2] nailed it. This is a perfect example as to why I don't think LLMs should replace search engines any time soon. Search engines help you fi…

(Update: I understand that Atlas is their browser offering. I mistakenly thought that it was their official search engine offering. Proof that humans can hallucinate as well as the best frontier models :D )

Re: ChatGPT Atlas

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...Firefox has an AI integration natively built in; have you not seen it yet?

I have not! I'm shocked and disappointed if it's on by default. I don't see any AI features in my Firefox UI...

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/ai-chatbot. There's also right-click integrations and such that turn on when you use this. It's thankfully not as intrusive as the options from other browser makers.

Re: ChatGPT Atlas

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post #313

As a sales engineer, when I'm not pushing random PRs for random demos or infra I'm building, I'm searching for people on LinkedIn in hopes of getting introductions. I tested a really basic LinkedIn search on myself. Atlas confidently failed successfully [0]; Kagi [1] and Google [2] nailed it. This is a perfect example as to why I don't think LLMs should replace search engines any time soon. Search engines help you fi…

https://chatgpt.com/share/68f7da49-9e28-800c-b979-7ecb8b5485... Chat seemed to find you just fine?

I mistakenly thought that Atlas was their official search engine offering separate from Chat, so I hit it with an old school search query instead of a natural language query I'd typically use with ChatGPT. Nonetheless, this is a good example of how much a well-constructed prompt can affect the final result!

Re: ChatGPT Atlas

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With these "agentic browsers" you are one prompt injection away from having your data stolen by a malicious website with some form that you cannot see.

Actually, this sounds like a really fun exploit to try to come up with. We saw the Agent select items and put them in a cart...

Re: ChatGPT Atlas

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As a test, I had it's agent mode look through HN for comments it felt I could add insight to based on what it knows about me and my experience. It found 7 comments about things I know about (startups/cloud providers) and 3 I don't (Fine tuning LLMs?!) - the comments it suggested on the 7 are the things I would have said, but not how I would have said them.

After I had done this test, I asked myself why I decided to do a test on something that would convert a joyful activity into a soulless one, and realized that a lot of the stuff I would use this for (including booking flights) is stuff I enjoy doing myself, or at least is "part of the adventure" if you will.

Interesting tool, not sure what I'll use it for yet.

Re: ChatGPT Atlas

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Try it yourself and ignore the hype. For certain things it can be really useful, just keep in mind that it's early days. I recently used Comet to find out of print movies that were never released on DVD/Bluray, then find them on ebay, then find the best value, then provide me with a list to order. It felt like magic watching it work, and saved me many hours of either doing it myself or scripting it. I did have to rep…

Surely this is something you can do with simple searches...? Unless you're reaching the level of trying to buy dozens or hundreds of movies. https://xkcd.com/1205/

everything AI is doable manually. the point is AI saves us mental toil (maybe).

Re: ChatGPT Atlas

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If you think this is useful... remember technology like this would make totalitarian leaders foam at the mouth. If you thought that ads are creepy, Atlas is a root level keylogger service. Why would you want an AI company scraping and recording all of your browser interactions. Yes Google already does this via Chrome. It's one thing to build a predictive model on your demographic, spending, location and income inform…

After skimming the product page I'm still not sure what extra data exactly everyone is so confident is being gathered/used in a way that Google wouldn't already be doing in Chrome. As far as I can tell, most of these features are already integrated into Chrome but with Gemini. What exact feature in Atlas would need to log your every keystroke? Could they be doing that? Yes. But so could Google and in both cases they'…

I like how honest and blunt your comment is, and what it says about our current relationship with bigtech. Because what you say is accurate, people no longer see a problem in adopting technologies like OpenAI's Atlas. Google set a standard, and what used to be a massive red flag is now "a price we've already paid". No new harm is felt.
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