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Re: M5 MacBook Pro

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Post by heavyset_go »

Sharlin wrote: post #356
heavyset_go wrote: post #328

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I've used Macs for 20 years starting on the day 32-bit Intel Macs were released, and agree with the GP. Linux and Plasma spoiled me, going back to macOS and its windowing system feels like a step backward, especially for development, where using multiple windows is a must. Task switching is.. not good? I don't get window previews I can switch through when I hover over the dock, but I do on Linux. Yes, I know about Ya…

> Task switching is.. not good? I don't get window previews I can switch through when I hover over the dock, but I do on Linux. That just sounds like being accustomed to one way of switching tasks, honestly. If I want previews, I use Expose (three-finger swipe up/down or ctrl-up/down). But mostly I just use cmd-tab and haven't really needed to see previews there. Because macOS switches between applications , not wind…

If I wanted to use gestures, three/four finger swipe up and down shows all of the windows and all of the desktops with windows respectively. If I'm switching using the keyboard, I get window previews. If I'm switching using the dock, I get window previews.

Going back to macOS where I don't get window previews forces me to think in terms of app icons, instead of the UI I've been staring at and will instantly recognize. And if I use the dock, I have to remember the window title's name to switch windows using the context menu.

Re: M5 MacBook Pro

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Post by rtpg »

kondro wrote: post #360
leakycap wrote: post #229

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I'm guessing carriers/networks can't handle a fleet of MacBooks-with-cellular yet. The data workload would be sustained and intense with macOS not having the type of system-level cellular framework/data control as iPad and iOS (I have used the low data mode on macOS, it helps but only handles a small part of the problem). I have bought cracked-screen iPhones since Personal Hotspot allowed wired connections back in th…

That doesn’t make much sense to me, there are literally billions of phones that people are using all the time. Apple has over 2.3 billion active devices of which a small percentage are Macs (an estimated 24 million were sold in 2024 and around twice that in iPads). The most difficult to scale part of a cell network is number of devices connected, not bandwidth used anyway and cellular Macs aren’t going to add signifi…

The problem I think is that desktop software is often not written on the idea that they might need to sip from a straw.

Anyone who has tethered their machines to a phone with a middling connection knows how bad the computer experience cna get.

Like you mentioned 50 gigs a month per device... when I had to tether my machine for a week I was finding myself using 10 gigs _a day_, and this was ~6 years ago.

Not an argument that this stuff is impossible, of course, but I do think these machines are different beasts.

Re: M5 MacBook Pro

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Post by heavyset_go »

0x457 wrote: post #380
heavyset_go wrote: post #328

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've used Macs for 20 years starting on the day 32-bit Intel Macs were released, and agree with the GP. Linux and Plasma spoiled me, going back to macOS and its windowing system feels like a step backward, especially for development, where using multiple windows is a must. Task switching is.. not good? I don't get window previews I can switch through when I hover over the dock, but I do on Linux. Yes, I know about Ya…

When you use linux as desktop, sometimes you get into a customization-hole and make everything "just right" because on linux everything is customizable. Then you switch to macOS or Windows or even (not your) linux setup and hate it. When I manage to contain myself entirely to the terminal it's okay, but the moment I have to interact with GUI I start to miss those "just right" things. I can relate. macOS hilariously s…

The irony is that I set up my Plasma desktop to mimic macOS' layout in terms of positioning buttons, menus, widgets and docks, and just leave the default settings and themes. Just what you get for free by default with Plasma is great vs macOS even with customizations.

I do nerd out when customizing the shell, though.

> It not space efficient and public caches are sub-par, but it's better than searching "sed in-place repace macos and linux cross-platform" for the 9000th time.

When onboarding new devs, it's like Groundhog Day, where I will inevitably have the "did you use GNU sed or BSD sed" conversation at some point if they have Macs.

I'm going to have to look into home-manager

Re: M5 MacBook Pro

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Post by culopatin »

leakycap wrote: post #213
mjamesaustin wrote: post #132

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I play absolutely everything on my M1 Macbook Pro. Through Crossover, basically every Windows game runs fine. I used to check ahead of time before buying a game, but it's so good I now kind of just assume games work.

A NVIDIA 2080 graphics card from 2018 still surpasses the M5 for gaming. The M5 Pro coming early next year will likely finally catch up with the 8-year-old 2080. I'm happy to hear your games work well for you, but it sounds like the games you're playing aren't demanding compared to modern AAA titles. Most games released in the last year or two don't run well on my 2080 test system at anything approaching decent graph…

But does it weight 7lbs and sounds like an airplane on the tarmac while you play and looks like it was designed by a 13yo that listens to Linkin Park?

Re: M5 MacBook Pro

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Post by culopatin »

asdff wrote: post #406
mjamesaustin wrote: post #132

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I play absolutely everything on my M1 Macbook Pro. Through Crossover, basically every Windows game runs fine. I used to check ahead of time before buying a game, but it's so good I now kind of just assume games work.

I can confirm this is not the case. I don't use crossover but crossover is wine. I use kegworks which is also wine. It is a pain in the ass. Steam app runs like garbage over wine. Games like tf2 I got more consistent fps on my 2012 mac which can run it natively than I do on this 12/16 whatever core 4ghz beast. I used to get like 90fps pegged in that now even on low graphics configs I'm barely doing 50fps and losing f…

There are things that Crossover figures out that the alternatives don’t. For example, steam downloads are broken for PortingKit but not for Crossover, and they are both Wine

Re: M5 MacBook Pro

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Post by stevage »

lholden wrote: post #369
0xfaded wrote: post #52

To any Linux users, I recently bought a fully loaded M4 MacBook pro to replace my aging Lenovo and strongly regret it. I thought I would use it for playing with LLMs, but local dev on a Mac is not fun and I still don't have it fully set up. I'll probably replace it with a framework at some point in the near future. Edit: okay, that garnered more attention than I expected, I guess I owe a qualification. 1. Everything…

I ended up doing something similar a few years ago. Picked up a MacBook Pro M1 Max back when the M1 stuff was new to replace an aging Lenovo running Linux. I actually really loved my Lenovo + Linux, but the M1 was new and shiny and I desperately wanted better battery life. The hardware was great, but life on a Mac always felt a bit convoluted. Updating the OS was especially frustrating as a software developer because…

The one that always surprises me is that there is absolutely no image editor of any kind.

But really, I just don't use that many desktop apps (or at least, not generic ones) so I don't have much of an issue on MacOS.

Re: M5 MacBook Pro

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Post by ed_mercer »

fellowniusmonk wrote: post #106
eagleinparadise wrote: post #71

Anyone know when to expect the M5 Pros? I am on a base 16gb M1 and struggling hard in daily workloads. I am often running at 20gb of swap memory usage. I don't really use local LLMs but think 32GB RAM would be good for me... but I am so ready to upgrade but trying to figure out how much longer we need to wait.

First rule of mac world is get the most memory you can afford. I got the cheapest m1 pro (the weird one they sold thats binned due to defects) with 32gb ram and everything runs awesome. Always get the most ram you can in mac world. Running a largish local LLM model is slowish but it does run. A mac out of memory is just a totally different machine than one with. probably because most of the devs building the software…

IIRC on macbooks, memory is actually not that important because of the insanely fast SSD and swap. Though LLMs are probably a different story

Re: M5 MacBook Pro

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Post by kalleboo »

rfw300 wrote: post #221
ksec wrote: post #177

No WiFi 7 and WiFi 6E only is annoying. Especially for what they are charging. And Bluetooth 5.3, Their Pro Mac are slower than their iPhone Pro. SSD has double the speed. I guess they say this only for M5 MacBook Pro, because the previous M4 has always had slower SSD speed than M4 Pro at 3.5GB/s. So now the M5 should be at 7GB/s. I assume no update on SDXC UHS-III.

What use case do you have (or anticipate having) for WiFi 7 out of curiosity?

Just things like waiting on the download for an Xcode update before I can get to work would be a lot more tolerable on 1.4 Gbps than the like 600 Mbps on the WiFi 5. Or worrying if this video is buffering because a backup started in the background.

But I gave up on waiting and just got Ethernet put in in the places where I'm likely to sit with my laptop - now I plug in to charge and automatically get 2.5 Gbps Ethernet at the same time using a USB-C dock and a long USB 3 cable.

Re: M5 MacBook Pro

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Post by mercutio2 »

godelski wrote: post #354
coldtea wrote: post #84

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> I thought I would use it for playing with LLMs, but local dev on a Mac is not fun and I still don't have it fully set up. Sounds more like a you problem, probably due to unfamiliarity. There are endless options for local dev on a Mac, and a huge share of devs using one.

> Sounds more like a you problem I'm sorry, I just really hate this Apple Fanboy rhetoric. It's frequent and infuriating. Don't get me wrong, I hate it when the linux people do it too, but they tend to tell you how to get shit done while being mean. The biggest problem with Linux is poor interfaces[0] but the biggest problem with Apple is handcuffs. And honestly, I do not find Apple interfaces intuitive. Linux interf…

It’s rare that I get feedback like this about a feature I owned for a decade.

1) The vast majority of users have only one contact-sync account, so it’s not an issue for them, merge works fine

2) For users that have multiple contact-sync accounts, they almost never want a feature to silently choose one account’s contact and delete the other account’s contact. So linking is really what these users want if the contacts live in different accounts.

It’s interesting feedback that a combined “link or merge” command would be what you’d expect. That’s a reasonable request; in my day we generally steered clear of combining destructive operations (merging) with non-destructive (linking).

I was more focused on the fact that the macOS implementation of “look for duplicates” is pretty broken; there’s a decent iOS implementation we never got around to migrating to macOS.

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