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Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker Nexperia

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Post by Hendrikto »

noobermin wrote: post #310
itopaloglu83 wrote: post #133

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Everybody is a fan of free access and capital markets, until a foreign entity purchases something of importance. It’s a continuation of recent trends and closing markets. Nobody in their sane mind would allow a company like ASML or the likes to be purchased by competitors. But the irony is that when a non-European entity were to do something like this, e.g. nationalize their oil or mining etc. industry or a firm, the…

The age of globalism and unfettered free trade is over, and good riddance.

I feel like I profited a lot as a consumer. Maybe not as an employee, but overall it wasn’t bad.

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Post by croes »

motorest wrote: post #297
croes wrote: post #296

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We‘ll see how rare and isolated this is will be. Beware of the beginnings.

> We‘ll see how rare and isolated this is will be. Why do you presume this is bad?

If it’s not bad why calling out China first doing it?

If it’s bad why doing it?

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Post by toyg »

thesmtsolver wrote: post #314
Sloowms wrote: post #290

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Ah yes, Venezuela famously only has lawsuits that happened to them. Maybe look up Guaido, the 3% polling self and US declared president of Venezuela.

Isn't Venezuela a defacto dictatorship now? Not sure the 3% is correct under these conditions.

It could have maybe gone a bit differently if the US government had resisted the urge to interfere, like in the bad old days of the cold war. They isolated Chavez and then Maduro, which backfired just enough to justify the slide into full-on dictatorship.

People voted for Chavez and then (at least once) for Maduro because the massive inequality was unsustainable. If the US had accepted that and worked with them instead of against them, maybe we'd be in a different place right now. But the interests of oil companies always come first, sadly. (obviously this does not absolve the Venezuelans from their responsibilities.)

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Post by arp242 »

tartoran wrote: post #31
jsiepkes wrote: post #24

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Let's be real here, a European company wouldn't even have been allowed to buy a Chinese company in China and have the level of control as in this case in the first place.

This is it pretty much, not sure why it took so long to come to this realization. Was it greed that caused a warp in rational and common sense?

There seems to be some sort of general belief that everyone acts at least roughly in good faith. And sure, there are hiccups, but things will work out fine in the long run as the world moves towards peace, liberty, and freedom.

It would be nice if that was the case. Personally I think it has all the well-intentioned naïvety of a 14-year old "why can't we just abolish the military?!" pacifist.

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Post by ammo1662 »

pmontra wrote: post #336
motorest wrote: post #301

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> although they had to find a partner to do Azure. By "finding a partner" you actually mean have Azure-branded services provided by Chinese companies through isolated data centers. Which kind of proves OPs point.

Do they use the same Microsoft software and the Azure APIs that are available in the rest of the world?

Yes. As for AWS, some of the services are not available in CN. But the APIs are the same for the services that are available.

For some MS software, you need to sign an additional agreement consenting to cross-border transfer of personal data before use. But the features are the same.

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Post by arp242 »

skrebbel wrote: post #395
user_7832 wrote: post #308

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> NXP has been trimming fat since its formation from Philips Semiconductors Honestly it appears to me that Philips themselves have just been losing talent/marketshare/I'm not even sure what, causing their gradual decline. The Philips I grew up with was an electronics powerhouse. Today apart, from their healthcare department (and maybe their slightly overpriced lighting department via Signifify), they don't seem to be…

This has been going on for decades. I once did a brief consulting stint at what was then considered one of the most innovative, startuppy departments of Philips Healthcare, and it was by far the slowest-moving, least productive software team I've ever seen. They had just "ended a sprint" when I came in, and 3 months later they still hadn't started another. People were just fooling around. There was a rule that talkin…

"You can't move a waste paper basket a metre without filling in three forms and getting approval of four managers" was already the running joke about Philips in the 90s.

In part this is a large organisation thing that happens everywhere. See 2001 Google vs. current Google for example. I don't know why Philips ended up being so bad in particular.

The break-up of Philips is not a bad thing. Many viable components have been spun off in various ways and the business is essentially fine, just not under the Philips name and management.

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Post by Doxin »

contravariant wrote: post #433
Doxin wrote: post #5

Some more context from a dutch news source[0]: The ministry of economic affairs intervened out of a fear that crucial technological skills and capacities will leave the Netherlands and Europe. The ministry stated in a press release[1] that there was a threat of a "knowledge leak" (w/e that means exactly) and a possible threat to the European economy. After this intervention the Dutch government can now stop or revers…

I'm also inclined to believe the reason for the decision was intelligence and not politics, because if it was political the parties responsible likely wouldn't shut up about until the next election. As of now there's been effectively 0 reaction from any political party. Though maybe that will change.

We've also currently got an outgoing cabinet, meaning they aren't really supposed to make major decisions outside of emergencies. That has always been one of those things where it's basically up to the honor of the politicians to actually not make major decisions as far as I can tell, so I'm unsure whether this is politicians politicianing or if there IS some emergency requiring intervention. I'm sure it'll all get more clear in the coming days.

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Post by itopaloglu83 »

Intermernet wrote: post #368
itopaloglu83 wrote: post #217

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The coke recipe has never been patented, afaik, and similarly certain high-end things were patented only because the main company was hiring a subcontractor to do something. For example, Samsung flat out copied iPhone exactly almost. So, my thinking is that there could be less patents, because they’re less likely to share the technology and patents might let others copy stuff.

Samsung didn't copy the damn iPhone. This is revisionist history. HTC was on the scene for popular Android smart phones before Samsung, and they also didn't copy the iPhone. Early Nokia Symbian devices were on the scene before HTC and they also didn't copy the iPhone. Touch screen phones were going to happen. Apple made the first, popular one, but they were going to happen.

We’re talking about transfer of critical technologies or knowhow, and how company relationships lead to such situations. Not Apple vs Android contents or how touch screen phone were already meant to be. A lot of industrial countries fail to manufacture good phones, not because they don’t have the capacity but they lack the knowhow.

Samsung was the original manufacturing partner for Apple, which allowed them to amass incredible amount of knowhow to create their own, and before that they were not even in the phone market much, yet alone launch their own phone.

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Post by misja111 »

philosopher1234 wrote: post #190
next_xibalba wrote: post #189

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The Chinese heavily subsidize their companies and have large government bureaus that strategically guide industries over long time frames. For example, the CCP has been on a long, intentional path to destroying all international solar manufacturers via subsidies, dumping, etc. This is not how free markets function.

Lol, how is this not a free market? Apple subsidizes dozens of organizations internally to advance its strategic interests, what’s the difference?

The amount of what-about-ism in this thread is amazing. No, large companies with semi-monopolies using their power to influence government organizations is not part of a free market either. But OP never claimed that it was.

The whole point is that when in some market there is some nation trying to disturb the free market mechanism in its favor, other countries can't just be naïve and stand by doing nothing. They have to counter act and this is what happend in The Netherlands.

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Post by ExoticPearTree »

motorest wrote: post #297
croes wrote: post #296

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We‘ll see how rare and isolated this is will be. Beware of the beginnings.

> We‘ll see how rare and isolated this is will be. Why do you presume this is bad?

Because it will start a tit-for-tat type of cycle. That is why.
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