Live data from Hacker News

Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ

foxbusiness.com

441–450 of 645 posts

Re: Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ

#441

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://web.dev/articles/push-notifications-web-push-protoco...

Without a VAPID key identifiable by Apple, those notifications won't arrive.

Yes, but in that case, it will be less likely to be blocked because the people requesting the blocking are not competent enough to ask for it.

Don't get me wrong, I wish this were not the case, but why let the perfect be the enemy of the good enough?

Re: Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ

#442

Why are people so obsessed about apps. could be a website that couldn’t easily be taken down.

this is what I dont understand. so many apps are almost website-like in functionality, and you can save a shortcut to the desktop / main screen and it will launch / look like an app. complete with notifications (if enabled). What's the barrier? (another poster mentioned not knnowing anything outside of the appstore, but then "Share -> Add to Home screen" is a pretty damn simple flow.

You would be surprised, I have never seen anyone who doesn't work in tech in my life who even knows that this is an option.

Re: Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ

#443
post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m also an Apple shareholder. Tim Cook is a very shareholder-friendly CEO. One of the first things he did after he became CEO, which jobs always refused, was to start stock buybacks. I have a hard time believing Apple getting in legal fights with the current administration is something that shareholders will appreciate, even if it’s better in the long term. Regardless, if shareholders care about long term instead of…

> Tim Cook is a very shareholder-friendly CEO. I feel like John Sculley of all people praising Tim Cook on this point was pretty damning ;P. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/03/ex-apple-ceo-john-sculley-co... > “Steve Jobs created a loyalty with users that is unparalleled in the consumer technology world. What Tim Cook has done, he’s built a loyalty with shareholders,” Sculley said on “Squawk on the Street.” > Regardless…

this excerpt from Forstall's wiki seems fitting:

> Cook's aim since becoming CEO has been reported to be building a culture of harmony, which meant "weeding out people with disagreeable personalities—people Jobs tolerated and even held close, like Forstall," although Apple Senior Director of Engineering Michael Lopp "believes that Apple's ability to innovate came from tension and disagreement." Steve Jobs was referred to as the "decider" who had the final say on products and features while he was CEO, reportedly keeping the "strong personalities at Apple in check by always casting the winning vote or by having the last word", so after Jobs' death many of these executive conflicts became public.

The tragedy of Apple, and perhaps Steve's biggest oversight, was his own irreplaceability. He failed to procure a suitable successor. Or perhaps there was not enough time. People are Culture. And Steve was a big part of it. The hopes of Apple living on without him are just that, hopes. He built Apple like an orchestra with himself as the conductor; when he left, the music didn’t fall apart immediately, but the score became safer, flatter, more repetitive.

Re: Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ

#444

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Do you sincerely believe that both situations are comparable? How are they not? In both cases US government officials applied pressure and implied legal action to force private companies to act in ways that enabled law enforcement to act with less resistance. It’s why we should always push back against government overreach and bullying. Because the “slippery slope” might be a logical fallacy, but that doesn’t stop…

Oh, please . Senators do not head the department of justice and requested , not demanded under threat of retribution under a "unitary executive". For them to do anything would require a quorum of 50% of the entire government to make a law.

Sure but Senators actually have the power to make law, unlike the executive. Also let’s be honest, if any government official “requests” anything it is always under the threat of retribution. See also the Jimmy Kimmel situation.

Re: Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ

#445

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, we should just ironically lean into it even harder and call it “backdooring”. Jokes aside, when has pandering to people to change the status quo of colloquial word use ever worked?

Well, obviously changing "installing software" to "sideloading" worked somehow.

25+ years and it's a bit of variation on the term.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sideloading

Re: Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ

#446
post #307

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It could be replaced with a fucking web app if they built it properly the first time around.

Do you know a good way to do geofencing on PWAs? I'm not saying you can't, but I don't know of any API that can accomplish that (without constantly running GPS location updates in the browser, which no standard phone will allow).

Maybe have the app server contact a service that knows the user's location? You can probably somehow get the user's location on Google Maps, or Find My. Or... I don't know, Yelp check-ins with a particular hashtag?...

Re: Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ

#447

I don't see the problem. It was an app specifically developed to help people evade American law and attack people who work for the government, how is it a shock that they took it down?

Same. This app was specifically used to incite violence against law enforcement.

Re: Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ

#448

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd love for all tech reviewers at future product launches to go: "Yeah cool new iPads thanks... why did you guys block and remove an app that wasn't illegal? One that helped people know if armed forces that could search them and tear apart their homes were in the area?". Just refuse to report on or post about new product launches without mentioning it. Press is an large thing for Apple. Multiple times now they've on…

Yeah but the press has to make money. They don't want to lose access, ultimately most of them want to be PR contractors for big companies Getting people off of for-profit news would be great, though I admit it's a blue sky proposal

Yeah most companies want good PR for access. Apple takes this to the extreme where the first whiff of negatives things to say and you're cut off. Now you won't get invited to events or given devices early. So you'll have to wait until release and buy it yourself. Then take the time to review a device. By that point most people have already seen the other coverage and made up their mind. So you will get very little motion which translates to income.

These corporations have effectively built their own club of chosen mouthpieces who are willing to excuse negatives about a product to make money.

Re: Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ

#449
post #383

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> to remove an app that allowed people to evade law enforcement. No, they continued to allow police location apps (Google maps will even tell you where they are). The language they added to the app store rules were very specific: "Apps may only display DUI checkpoints that are published by law enforcement agencies, and should never encourage drunk driving or other reckless behavior such as excessive speed." Whether o…

What purpose outside abetting in avoiding a DUI is there for publishing a live map of DUI checkpoints? I’m not questioning whether you should be able to do it. I’m really curious.

>What purpose outside abetting in avoiding a DUI is there for publishing a live map of DUI checkpoints?

When Churchill made that famous quip about the "average voter" he was talking about the kind of people who complain out of one side of their mouth about law enforcement going hard on a particular class of laws they don't like while stating out the other that anyone who doesn't want to submit to a papers-please stop on the pretext of catching people engaged in a fairly common misdemeanor that they do want to see hard enforcement on is abetting said misdemeanor.

Re: Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ

#450

This is the problem with the modern "app" way of doing things. This sort of thing would be best handled as a website so that users need not run specific software on thier phones. Reports can come in as basic emails parsed for a lat/long or grid. Then a kml file can be pushed as needed to a basic web-facing map. The bandwidth would be minimal and very resistant to shutdown. Heck, share the kml files via torrents or pu…

Website can't provide notification on iOS. You may find workaround but that would be either expensive or under Apple's control. This use-case without notifications is quite useless.

It can just fine

https://www.mobiloud.com/blog/pwa-push-notifications

Post reply on HN