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Re: Sora 2

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Post by smrtinsert »

echelon wrote: post #339
the_duke wrote: post #273

I haven't seen comments regarding a big factor here: It seems like OpenAI is trying to turn Sora into a social network - TikTok but AI. The webapp is heavily geared towards consumption, with a feed as the entry point, liking and commenting for posts, and user profiles having a prominent role. The creation aspect seems about as important as on Instagram, TikTok etc - easily available, but not the primary focus. Genera…

I posit this is the real story. OpenAI did not stealthily release Sora 2 to the image and video ELO ranking leaderboards ahead of time as is now somewhat tradition. This model is probably designed to run fast and cheap as a social play. Emphasis on putting you and your friends into popular franchises and IPs. OpenAI probably has a totally different model for their Hollywood-grade VFX. One that's too expensive to offe…

I agree with the idea that they will like it, but I don't think it will look anything like this. I imagine native AI generations willl produce content will probably be instrutable to anyone older, requiring meme translations. Maybe a channel can be an AI decipherer. Hah.

I've long thought that AI will force new distribution methods because old media is so markedly against it... Maybe this is another Netflix vs Blockbuster moment.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by tootie »

gorgoiler wrote: post #87

Impressively high level of continuity. The only errors I could really call out are: 1/ 0m23s: The moon polo players begin with the red coat rider putting on a pair of gloves, but they are not wearing gloves in the left-vs-right charge-down. 2/ 1m05s: The dragon flies up the coast with the cliffs on one side, but then the close-up has the direction of flight reversed. Also, the person speaking seemingly has their back…

The fact that this is their demo to the world and it's full of errors implies that average users will only get worse results.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by bnop »

estearum wrote: post #94
bigyabai wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sam Altman is a businessman. His job is to say whatever assuages his market, and that includes gaslighting you when you're disgusted by AI. If you never expected Altman to be the figurehead of principled philosophy, none of this should surprise you. Of course the startup alumni guy is going to project maligned expectations in the hopes of being a multi-trillion dollar company. The shareholders love that shit, Altman…

> His job is to say whatever assuages his market I understand the cynicism but this is in fact not the job of a businessman. We shouldn't perpetuate the pathological meme that it is.

So the job of a businessman is not to increase shareholder value?

Re: Sora 2

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Post by calmoo »

iLoveOncall wrote: post #439
calmoo wrote: post #436

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anecdotally, I forgot multiple times that I was watching AI generated content, and my partner tuning in and out of it asked me a few times if we were watching the demo (as opposed to the real video). We are both pretty sensitive to slop too. I think something has flipped here.

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Let me tell you, I wish I was paid by OpenAI, but unfortunately I get paid a very average wage in a country where OpenAI do not operate.

You can look at my account history and see that there is absolutely no indication that I am paid for, or a bot, I just happen to be relatively enthusiastic and bullish on AI capabilities. My account is 5 years old.

I do not think this product from OpenAI will be good for the world, I think it is mostly a very bad thing. I just think it is impressive.

I encourage you to try make the most generous interpretation of my comment and try to consider that other people can have sometimes wildly different experiences to you, however hard that is to believe. The alternative is to accuse people of being paid for commentors, which benefits no one and just isolates you further.

To add more nuance to my original comment, yes if you look closely at the videos it is clear that they are AI generated, but as I was watching I 'lapsed' out of attention a few times and had to remind myself what I was looking at was generated. If I stopped and rewound a few times, yes of course I could notice the slop. But my point is that it's the first time I have lost the "I am watching slop" thought while watching AI video.

Hope that clears things up for you.

Edit: I just looked through your comment history, you are an extreme AI perma bear, and that's ok, that doesn't mean you're a paid for anti-ai lobbyist. Also every single comment you have made is extremely negative and inflammatory.

I encourage you to revise your communication methods and try to practice some kindness.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by gmueckl »

msp26 wrote: post #6

The voice quality in the generated vids is surprisingly awful.

That's the first thing I noticed, too. The first words you hear in the trailer sounds like someone ran the voice through a comb filter. It's so bad it made my skin crawl immediately.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by latexr »

saguntum wrote: post #205

I wonder if they're going to license this to brands for heavily personalized advertisement. Imagine being able to see videos of yourself wearing clothes you're buying online before you actually place the order, instead of viewing them on a model. If they got the generation "live" enough, imagine walking past a mirror in a department store and seeing yourself in different clothes. Wild times.

At that point, why even buy the clothes? Influencers will just post the video of the mockup on social media, which is the only reason they were considering it in the first place. Save themselves the foot fungus.

https://xcancel.com/Naija_PR/status/1904809073356251634

Then take the next step. Why even spend money going out? Generate a video of yourself with fake friends at a party and post that, while eating ice cream alone at home.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by bergheim »

GuinansEyebrows wrote: post #381
bergheim wrote: post #123

We are just heading for Lovely All TM. I kid. Art should require effort. And by that I mean effort on the part of the artist. Not environmental damage. I am SO tired of non tech friends SWOONING me with some song they made in 0.3 seconds. I tell them, sarcastically, that I am indeed very impressed with their endeavors. I know many people will disagree with me here, but I would be heart broken if it turned out someone…

"if it's not worth [writing/playing/painting...], it's not worth [reading/listening/looking...]"

I had a friend over for my last birthday before going to a venue. He had a huge framed painting he had made. It made me cry.

A prompt delivered by Amazon drones would obviously not be the same lovely moment.

So yes, I agree.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by gorgoiler »

tootie wrote: post #442
gorgoiler wrote: post #87

Impressively high level of continuity. The only errors I could really call out are: 1/ 0m23s: The moon polo players begin with the red coat rider putting on a pair of gloves, but they are not wearing gloves in the left-vs-right charge-down. 2/ 1m05s: The dragon flies up the coast with the cliffs on one side, but then the close-up has the direction of flight reversed. Also, the person speaking seemingly has their back…

The fact that this is their demo to the world and it's full of errors implies that average users will only get worse results.

I’m wary of being that damning, this early. What I want to know is, should my video have these kinds of continuity errors, how easily can I fix them?

It’s ok for this to be a fun toy. (And fun toy while also being an astonishing piece of engineering.) But if it wants to push beyond fun toy then it would be interesting to see how that process works.

Will Sora2 help me sketch out a movie for me, doing 10% of the work where I have to reshoot the other 90% for real, or will it get me 90% there leaving me only 10% left to do “by hand”?

(This is the exact same question, I believe, which is being asked of the maintenance burden imposed by vibe coded products. They get you 90% then fail spectacularly leaving you having to do the bulk of the work again? Or they get you 90% of the way and you int have to fill in the gaps to reach a stable long term product?)

Re: Sora 2

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Post by gmueckl »

bsenftner wrote: post #364
qgin wrote: post #169

VFX artists are definitely feeling the AGI / considering other career paths today.

VFX artist and developer here, who's deep into this stuff, and it is really not there. It's an island of itself, barely controllable and barely usable with other media. They are just now getting around to generating alpha channels, with virtual none of the existing pipelines for any AI video or image generation tools to even incorporate and work with alpha channels. This is just one of several hundred aspects of inco…

Do you even see a path from the current AI systems to something that has that near-total control over every detail that is required for high quality VFX work?

Re: Sora 2

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Post by FullMetul »

Maybe by Sora 3 they will have scene consistency. Gah it's so jarring to me that the poll the racing ducks are in just randomly changes. My brain can tell it's not consistent scene to scene and feels so jank.
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