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Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by 71bw »

skybrian wrote: post #380
troupo wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is not really evidence-based reasoning, it’s just “I can imagine something evil that Google might do.” Please read Mozilla's story on how Google sabotaged them: https://archive.is/tgIH9 Oh. And they very literally killed Internet Explorer: https://blog.chriszacharias.com/a-conspiracy-to-kill-ie6 Oh. And Google's mobile apps always conveniently forget the setting of "always use system browser and never ask me",…

How well do Gmail and Google Docs work on Firefox today?

Effortlessly, at least with uBO installed.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by Dylan16807 »

pzo wrote: post #248
deadbabe wrote: post #142

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And what are the rules? Don’t use AI to steal training content across the internet, spread nuclear grade spam and propaganda at scale, hack servers with automated agents? Seems fine.

the end game will be ai training bots will have to be: 1) like 1 cent or fraction of cent to get access to page 2) scrawlers will just cache this data on their server or just train on it so will pay just once 3) small content creators will get just make like few dollars our of it 4) CF will get some 10-30% cut from their content semaphore. 5) in the end you small content creator trading their whole content for few do…

Unless you have an idea to stop scraping, the status quo is all downside. Everything gets grabbed but also crawlers overwhelm servers.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by boxed »

nerdponx wrote: post #169
boxed wrote: post #122

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> This is quite simple and history bears it out: you can't rely on a for-profit corporation to operate in any other manner than optimizing shareholder value. You can't even do that honestly. Look at Boeing. It got taken over by know-nothing managers that followed that religion of shareholder value, and what did it do? Destroy shareholder value! I think we should instead say "we can't rely on any institution to be sta…

They are kind of different statements. For-profit institutions will almost always act in the interest of profit for the people who have an ownership stake and a claim to the prophet stream. That's definitionally why they exist, and we have enough evidence from the history of everything ever to assume that they will for the most part act that way. You are saying something different. You are pointing out that the peopl…

> For-profit institutions will almost always act in the interest of profit for the people who have an ownership stake and a claim to the [profit] stream.

But they won't. This statement is a declaration of faith/religion, not a statement of fact. It's a common belief, but that doesn't make it true.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by jcattle »

chillfox wrote: post #397
hylaride wrote: post #211

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> Oh. And they very literally killed Internet Explorer I disagree with this. Firstly, in this article they talk about how they "killed" IE6 in favour of later versions of IE, but MS ultimately killed IE with neglect until it was far too late.

Microsoft might have been neglecting IE, but Google was Definitly playing games with IE, constantly breaking video acceleration on YouTube in IE in any way they could. They were literally introducing invisible elements overlapping the video for no other reason than to break IE.

And web developers everywhere thanked them for killing IE6

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by OJFord »

arunc wrote: post #348
xenelor wrote: post #275

The hype around Omarchy is just insane.. It is not an installer script (anymore), so instead you have to download a 7GB ISO file (in the name of 'good UX') that ships with Zoom, Spotify, Hey, Basecamp, Steam, Minecraft (??), etc. but you still end up using the same package mirrors (arch's). If it was an install script, like LARBS or many others (before and after omarchy), I'd (almost) get it. If it was a derivative d…

I don't really mind 7GB ISO file. What gets my nerve is the default packaging of shit-load of unnecessary apps.

They're one and the same? Without the 'default packaging of shit-load of unnecessary apps' you have a 1.4GB Arch image.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by OJFord »

IshKebab wrote: post #374
xenelor wrote: post #275

The hype around Omarchy is just insane.. It is not an installer script (anymore), so instead you have to download a 7GB ISO file (in the name of 'good UX') that ships with Zoom, Spotify, Hey, Basecamp, Steam, Minecraft (??), etc. but you still end up using the same package mirrors (arch's). If it was an install script, like LARBS or many others (before and after omarchy), I'd (almost) get it. If it was a derivative d…

Yeah I don't get it. Why can't you just install that stuff on Arch? If Windows came with all that crap preinstalled we'd call it bloatware. Very very weird finding choice. There must be hundreds of better strategic investments that could be made. Thousands even.

The Arch installer even prompts you to ask if you want to add various common stuff (and you can of course add anything else).

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by latexr »

zaphar wrote: post #403
mossTechnician wrote: post #299

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Anyone who tries to push changes to Chromium will quickly find Google does control it.

I think you missed the point here. Forking is and always has been a totally viable hedge against any other parties control in an Open Source product. Google can't force Microsoft to take it as it is with no input because Microsoft can absolutely fork. Just like Apple and Google forked from each other. The real difficulty is that you need someone with large pockets to fund any forks if those forks are going to be viab…

> Just like Apple and Google forked from each other.

“Each other”? Google forked from Apple; Apple forked from KDE, not Google.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by OJFord »

marginalia_nu wrote: post #278
Xerox9213 wrote: post #247

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Does Omarchy offer anything other than opinionated dotfiles? These have always existed.

It basically is opinionated dotfiles and a few scripts, though that's a bit of a reductive take. The killer feature of Omarchy is how accessible and streamlined it is. You can set up your own arch+hypr environment in a weekend of tweaking and fiddling assuming basic Linux competency, or you can use Omarchy and get where you want to be in 10 minutes with no tweaking or fiddling. If you want is the outcome of the fiddl…

Thousands of people share their dotfiles though, there's just no need for it to be its own Arch-derivative distribution. Could've just been 'here are my dotfiles, works best on Arch'.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by latexr »

Sammi wrote: post #365
cal85 wrote: post #326

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7 gigabytes? With a “G”? That must take 10s of seconds, minutes even. And for what, a ‘good experience’? Humans make no sense to me either.

I feel like quoting that classic hn comment reaction to the release of Dropbox. Why do we need this good experience? We already have ftp!

> I feel like quoting that classic hn comment reaction to the release of Dropbox.

You mean the one where the commenter was respectful and helpful and had a productive conversation, just like HN encourages?

Every time you mention that comment in a bad light, you worsen dang’s day.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27068148

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by xenelor »

throwaway106382 wrote: post #412
xenelor wrote: post #275

The hype around Omarchy is just insane.. It is not an installer script (anymore), so instead you have to download a 7GB ISO file (in the name of 'good UX') that ships with Zoom, Spotify, Hey, Basecamp, Steam, Minecraft (??), etc. but you still end up using the same package mirrors (arch's). If it was an install script, like LARBS or many others (before and after omarchy), I'd (almost) get it. If it was a derivative d…

The hype around Rails is just insane. It's not just a few libs (anymore), so instead you have to download hundreds of gems (in the game of 'good dev ex') that ships with activsupport, and ORM, ERB and even pushes an app architecture on you but you still end up using ruby. If it was just a few things like sinatra and sequel I'd (almost) get it. If it was a fork of another project like Merb I'd (almost get it) but this…

Sure, you win, chief :)
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