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Re: How can England possibly be running out of water?

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Post by danans »

qcnguy wrote: post #423
danans wrote: post #403

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> I don't think Trump is anyone's idea of a textbook conservative, especially not economically I'm just going off what you said above: > The US is a very right wing country. > It's politicians are better able to avoid populist price controls. I don't think he is a traditional conservative either, but rather a right-wing nationalist ethno-socialist. However, the fact is that he has the near unanimous support of most "…

Trump has certainly dragged his party towards the left economically speaking. With lots of squealing and resistance, but they went there in the end because it's popular with voters. They haven't managed to win people over on fiscal conservatism despite trying. But US politics plays out in many ways, including at the local level. For water supply who the POTUS is doesn't matter that much, it's not handled at the feder…

> Trump has certainly dragged his party towards the left economically speaking

Only rhetorically, but that's just fodder for his blue collar base.

In practice he's done the opposite. His massive tax cuts for the wealthy and gutting of the social safety net is Reaganism/Thatcherism at its most explicit, and his broad tariffs are a tax on people who spend most of their income in survival.

Re: How can England possibly be running out of water?

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Post by mschuster91 »

Earw0rm wrote: post #330
mschuster91 wrote: post #219

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> I can only hope steel manufacture can someday be as efficient and competitive as US boat building. Better have expensive boats than no boats , particularly when preparing to wage war with a country that can be reached either by air - which means either missiles or nuclear bombers - or by water, the only option allowing for conventional warfare. That's the thing we all have to prepare for, the inevitable confrontati…

This is efficient if you actually _need_ hundreds or thousands of units. Which was clearly the case in WW2. And _might_ be the case if the confrontation with China is proxy wars. Hundreds or thousands of spare units (of tanks, AA, helicopters, fighter jets) would be useful in Ukraine, for example. But it's hard to see a use-case for hundreds of B-2s, for example. By the time those things are flying in anger, twenty o…

> But it's hard to see a use-case for hundreds of B-2s, for example.

Sell them to allies. But ever since both Trump and Biden seriously restricted Ukraine from defending itself... let's say the US isn't among the most trusted arms suppliers these days. A lot of soft power, just gone.

Re: How can England possibly be running out of water?

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Post by mobiuscog »

qcnguy wrote: post #363
gjm11 wrote: post #349

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Within whose party base? If you're saying that the Tories are viewed as too left-wing by Reform voters, then I assume that's true because Reform are further right than the Tories, but so what? If you're saying that Conservative voters find it "controversial" (whatever exactly you mean by that) that Reform is recruiting former Conservative politicians -- well, I'm sure they don't like it, no one likes it when some oth…

> Pretty much no one other than extreme rightists would describe the Conservatives as a centre-left party If an election were called tomorrow your next government would be Reform with a massive majority of 339 seats. It is the most popular party in the country by far. It would collect 33% of the vote vs Labour's 18% and the Conservatives would get only 17%, translating to their near-total destruction (only 35 seats).…

> If an election were called tomorrow your next government would be Reform with a massive majority of 339 seats. It is the most popular party in the country by far. It would collect 33% of the vote vs Labour's 18% and the Conservatives would get only 17%, translating to their near-total destruction (only 35 seats).

Only if you believe propaganda. What is the sample size of this poll projection, and what are the election policies being put forward for this election ?

It's clear that Labour are unpopular, but an actual election is not something that anyone is thinking about right now, because it is so far out. Reform would like to suggest they are, but they have yet to show any actual policies other than the usual right-wing rhetoric that may be populist but doesn't fix anything.

Shouting loudly like certain Americans, and pretending you have answers, may be good for headlines, but doesn't convince many real voters.

Re: How can England possibly be running out of water?

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Post by IncreasePosts »

scubbo wrote: post #408
IncreasePosts wrote: post #318

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Once the hidden research was revealed to the public, we all started curbing our carbon emissions, right?

I did. Didn't you?

I did. Did 99% of the population of earth do the same thing?

Re: How can England possibly be running out of water?

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Post by VirusNewbie »

Retric wrote: post #422
jermaustin1 wrote: post #410

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Page 10 of their 24/25 annual report says they only pay 8% toward interest payments, the largest outgoing is infrastructure, then opex. https://www.thameswater.co.uk/media-library/l13deqmw/thames-...

That doesn’t answer the question. However, any money paid to shareholders while accumulating debt, including deferred maintenance, etc was financial smoke and mirrors not actual profit.

Does the government not do this?

Re: How can England possibly be running out of water?

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Post by Earw0rm »

mschuster91 wrote: post #442
Earw0rm wrote: post #330

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This is efficient if you actually _need_ hundreds or thousands of units. Which was clearly the case in WW2. And _might_ be the case if the confrontation with China is proxy wars. Hundreds or thousands of spare units (of tanks, AA, helicopters, fighter jets) would be useful in Ukraine, for example. But it's hard to see a use-case for hundreds of B-2s, for example. By the time those things are flying in anger, twenty o…

> But it's hard to see a use-case for hundreds of B-2s, for example. Sell them to allies. But ever since both Trump and Biden seriously restricted Ukraine from defending itself... let's say the US isn't among the most trusted arms suppliers these days. A lot of soft power, just gone.

I'm from the UK, one of your wealthier allies. We can't afford to buy or operate B-2's. Not sure who could.. Taiwan? Saudi? Israel?

Re: How can England possibly be running out of water?

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Post by qcnguy »

mobiuscog wrote: post #443
qcnguy wrote: post #363

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> Pretty much no one other than extreme rightists would describe the Conservatives as a centre-left party If an election were called tomorrow your next government would be Reform with a massive majority of 339 seats. It is the most popular party in the country by far. It would collect 33% of the vote vs Labour's 18% and the Conservatives would get only 17%, translating to their near-total destruction (only 35 seats).…

> If an election were called tomorrow your next government would be Reform with a massive majority of 339 seats. It is the most popular party in the country by far. It would collect 33% of the vote vs Labour's 18% and the Conservatives would get only 17%, translating to their near-total destruction (only 35 seats). Only if you believe propaganda. What is the sample size of this poll projection, and what are the elect…

Sample size for that poll was 2615, about normal or a little bigger than normal for a voting intentions poll in the UK. The people being asked who they'd vote for in the next election are thinking about it, at least. Reform announced specific legislative policies on immigration at a large press event just recently.

Re: How can England possibly be running out of water?

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Post by burtness »

arethuza wrote: post #117
kolektiv wrote: post #102

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Particularly when, as in the case of UK water privatisation, there's a fairly convenient revolving door between the supposed regulator and the privatised water companies. Poacher turned entirely ineffective and rather friendly gamekeeper...

Nitpick - English water privatisation, I don't think the rest of the UK has private water companies - we certainly don't here in Scotland. Scottish Water is controlled by the Scottish Government.

*England and Wales
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