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Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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How can one know it is due to DNA or how the brain works versus learned behaviour? I suppose it is possible to learn different traits and behaviour from parents so that the offspring behave in an autistic way even if they are not "physically" autistic.

Heritability can be studied, you know.

Heritability != DNA.

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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Pretending that we know a lot about something with high certainty so that you can get a one up on RFK Jr types is much more harmful, especially on the long term. The anti RFK Jr types end up being distrusted and put in the same bucket as the RFK Jr types for spreading misinformation.

There are people distrustful of those who proclaim the earth round. There is no threshold of certainty where unreasonable skepticism will be eliminated, science is a tool for the reasonable.

I don’t see how you can talk about science being a tool for the reasonable while advocating for “pro-science” misinformation.

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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ugh, i am allergic to ibuprofen and aspirin (all NSAIDs to be precise). tylenol is my only OTC option.

You’re not going to become autistic all of sudden after taking Tylenol. The claim is that it effects the fetus during pregnancy

I am not worried about autism, ya goof! there has repeatedly been shown to be no link, and i am already autistic. I am worried RFKJ will make tyelnol harder to get.

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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There are people distrustful of those who proclaim the earth round. There is no threshold of certainty where unreasonable skepticism will be eliminated, science is a tool for the reasonable.

I don’t see how you can talk about science being a tool for the reasonable while advocating for “pro-science” misinformation.

It's not misinformation. Reasonable people know that science determining something is true only means the current evidence strongly indicates its true, and that future results may call anything into question, but we should not expect any particular current finding to be false. It is misinformation to characterize the lack of absolute certainty, which is something science can never produce, as indicative that claims differing from the scientific consensus are equally supported by the evidence.

You don't need to worry about people losing trust in science because science does not require trust. Those who are unsatisfied with anything less than certainty need something other than science.

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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Please don't post snarky putdowns or sneer at others. It only makes things worse.

Look at their bio. Why do you want them on this website, dang?

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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Please don't post snarky putdowns or sneer at others. It only makes things worse.

Look at their bio. Why do you want them on this website, dang?

Sometimes, when treated nicely, people change.

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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I don’t see how you can talk about science being a tool for the reasonable while advocating for “pro-science” misinformation.

It's not misinformation. Reasonable people know that science determining something is true only means the current evidence strongly indicates its true, and that future results may call anything into question, but we should not expect any particular current finding to be false. It is misinformation to characterize the lack of absolute certainty, which is something science can never produce, as indicative that claims d…

We do need to worry about people losing trust in science because science depends on public funding.

And it’s not about complete certainty. It’s that it actually is very difficult to prove genetic heritability vs effects in the womb because you can’t do twin studies, going back to my original comment.

Pretending to be more certain about it than reality IS misinformation. When you lie, people believe you less. They don’t want to give you money anymore. As we are finding out currently. I think “pro-science” liars are much more harmful than whatever “science skeptics” they find online.

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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It's not misinformation. Reasonable people know that science determining something is true only means the current evidence strongly indicates its true, and that future results may call anything into question, but we should not expect any particular current finding to be false. It is misinformation to characterize the lack of absolute certainty, which is something science can never produce, as indicative that claims d…

We do need to worry about people losing trust in science because science depends on public funding. And it’s not about complete certainty. It’s that it actually is very difficult to prove genetic heritability vs effects in the womb because you can’t do twin studies, going back to my original comment. Pretending to be more certain about it than reality IS misinformation. When you lie, people believe you less. They don…

> It’s that it actually is very difficult to prove genetic heritability vs effects in the womb because you can’t do twin studies, going back to my original comment.

You seem weirdly fixated on this point, and to your rhetorical disadvantage.

It is difficult to tell whether you are being accidentally or willfully ignorant. Maternal effects are well-accounted for in research. It is extremely improbable that we’ll ever find out that they have anything but a very minor influence on ASD compared to genetic factors.

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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It seems that higher sensitivity to pain could be a very plausible cause. I believe there's studies showing lowered (and altered) pain tolerance with autism. Though I'd expect that if aspirin did have an affect that it'd change the prevalence or severity of autism in children having genes related to autism. There'd be a first order correction fornthe likelihood that aspirin is causitive by controlling for increased i…

Aspirin ???!! Its not mentioned in the OP. No one here mentioned it. WTF???!

I'm waiting for someone to blame coffee.
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