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I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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taftster wrote: post #402
supportengineer wrote: post #395

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Not to mention there are severe income limits on the rebate

Right, set too low (imho). And not a graduated phase out either. And the market for these cars are going to be people typically past the income limit. My instinct tells me that people below the income limit ($75K/$150K) probably aren't really in the market for an EV. They are probably just trying to keep their regular gas vehicle running. An EV is almost a second/third car for a lot of people, commuters trying to off…

Individual tax credits/deductions shouldn't have income limits / phaseout at all. We get the progressive taxation on the front end, with marginal tax brackets.

Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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Post by _ea1k »

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Anyone who follows Jeff will know he's US-based, but I still really felt he could've highlighted that fact more in that charging port standards section. The fact that both J1772 & CCS2 are 100% universal in Europe is huge. So much so even Tesla switched to CCS2. This doesn't help Jeff but certainly one less problem for many readers of his article.

> The fact that both J1772 & CCS2 are 100% universal in Europe is huge. Funnily enough, not for the Leaf! Though it will be on the third generation that's coming out this year. The second-gen Leaf (a ten year old design, at this point) that the author of the article bought doesn't have it. The EU only mandates CCS2 in _charging points_; manufacturers can still sell cars without it, though I think Nissan may be the on…

Sorry for being pedantic, but since this thread is full of pedantry...

Europe actually doesn't use J1772 either. They use type 2 mennekes which has an additional AC conductor relative to US J1772 and CCS1.

Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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loeg wrote: post #441
taftster wrote: post #402

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Right, set too low (imho). And not a graduated phase out either. And the market for these cars are going to be people typically past the income limit. My instinct tells me that people below the income limit ($75K/$150K) probably aren't really in the market for an EV. They are probably just trying to keep their regular gas vehicle running. An EV is almost a second/third car for a lot of people, commuters trying to off…

Individual tax credits/deductions shouldn't have income limits / phaseout at all. We get the progressive taxation on the front end, with marginal tax brackets.

Totally agreed. But unfortunately, they often do.

Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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Post by taftster »

loeg wrote: post #440
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Maybe the car dealers have had a lobbyist that has influenced this to their favor. Wouldn't surprise me. But likewise, there's some formality and paperwork trails that exist when a dealership is involved vs. private party, so I wonder if the concern is some fraud or abuse in the private market as well. Regardless, I agree with you.

Car dealers are a well-known, hugely influential lobby.

Given that, probably lobbyist influence then more than anything.

Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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Post by cosmic_cheese »

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I have a lease end coming up and the Bolt/EUV are on my radar, but one significant advantage that Leafs have is that the lower trims can have their head unit swapped out for a nice Pioneer or Sony unit from Crutchfield, just like is possible with many ICE vehicles, which can get you a nicer infotainment experience (including wireless CarPlay/AA) that isn’t encrusted with rent-seeking gunk.

IIRC my 2019 Bolt had android auto but required the USB cable be plugged-in. My aftermarket, China-special head unit in the old car I've been driving lately has wireless Android Auto and while it's cool, it's still effectively wired due to how quickly it drains my Pixel 8 Pro's battery.

Interesting. CarPlay wireless has very little impact on battery life in my experience, with both a 14 Pro Max and 16 Pro Max.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

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Chinese offer this also. My wife just got one a few months ago, I think these are new things. 220V has a real advantage in boiling water fast in traditional kettles though (I used to live in china and they were twice as fast as the ones in America). It is almost worth getting a 220V outlet in a kitchen just to support fast water kettles.

There are an insignificant number of kitchens with unused 220V outlets. 220V was wired in in case the owner wanted to install an electric stove, but a gas stove was installed instead. The problem is that it's in an inconvenient location and running a 220V/30A extension cord beside a stove is a really bad idea.

I was thinking about going from gas to induction in a remodel to cut down on fumes and make cleaning easier, but we have not a 220V to do it, so an electrician will have to fish wires up to the kitchen if we go that far. We would also install a speed oven at the same time, so that’s another 220V outlet, what would be one more on the counter for a kettle?

Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

fragmede wrote: post #351
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #319

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Chinese offer this also. My wife just got one a few months ago, I think these are new things. 220V has a real advantage in boiling water fast in traditional kettles though (I used to live in china and they were twice as fast as the ones in America). It is almost worth getting a 220V outlet in a kitchen just to support fast water kettles.

Japanese water boilers have been around for decades by this point. As far as 220 V being faster, absolutely, but a Zojirushi is like $150 and an electrician far more.

They have the kettles that continuously heat now, as long as they detect water in the pot, it will cone on periodically to keep the water just below boiling. These are 120V though.

Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

cosmic_cheese wrote: post #322
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #313

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> just like is possible with many ICE vehicles Many older ICE vehicles, you mean? EVs aren't really special in their use of custom car-bound head units. BMW XDrive is the same XDrive they have in their EVs as they have in their ICEs. Mandatory backup cams is only going to accelerate that.

It’s an unfortunate trend. I’m not sure mandatory backup cameras is really a driving cause, though — the bulk of third party head units have backup cam support out of the box and some even let you add a 360° overhead parking view if you’re willing to drill some holes and wire cameras. The biggest reason for non-modular infotainment is to push people into subscription services.

The cars hade to come from the factory with backup cams now, then that’s going to open the floodgates to other features where a custom head unit would be useful, since they need one anyways. Unfortunately none of those features are done in a standard way where pioneer or alpine can plug into the car’s bus and somehow manipulate it.
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