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> Trust in the justice system has severely degraded. Among whom? By how much? Since when? > Trump's deportation program. The people being deported are not lawful residents. It is not even remotely comparable to the situation the GP is describing.
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#442> The only difference between your phone and China's social credit system is that China tells you what they're doing. And that I have a choice of phones, or even no phone at all, and none of my phone options is legally permitted to execute me. Further down, the article argues that switching costs between private companies are ‘enormous.’ I don’t know if they are that large, but however painful it is to switch from Ap…
> is legally permitted to execute me. Plenty of cops have shot/executed innocent people, and were declared not guilty due to qualified immunity. Plus, a phone in China can't execute you either. It'd be the police goons who do that.
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Well, if you're in this category in the US (equivalent is being on some kind of arbitrary list that you're not allowed to see and have no way to appeal) your life will also be horrible.
The US being imperfect, or currently on an authoritarian swing, in no way makes it equivalent to countries that are all-in on authoritarianism. The US is still among the very best places in the world to be a minority, politically active, or in legal trouble.
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#444The issue is that American media/discourse paints a very distorted view of what life under authoritarian rule is like. The truth is in many countries, unless you’re some kind of minority, politically active, or in legal trouble, day-to-day life is mostly similar to life in the west. But people don’t want to hear that, because we want to feel better than them. Like we wouldn’t tolerate that kind of life. Of course the…
>> The issue is that American media/discourse paints a very distorted view of what life under authoritarian rule is like. The truth is in many countries, unless you’re some kind of minority, politically active, or in legal trouble, day-to-day life is mostly similar to life in the west. Short term maybe. But there are reasons people want(ed) to move to the USA, and I don't mean refugees. A lot of college educated well…
Yes, primarily because its the richest country in the world and it's "easy" to make money.
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#445it's in our respective government's interests to tell us that of course the system we live in is the best, hey look at those other people living under tyranny 'over there', aren't you lucky to be living over here, under us?
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This seems identical to saying that convincing someone with anorexia that they aren't overweight is "social death", and "social death" is (somehow) genocide. I.e. it's nonsense.
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The desire to come and immigrate to the US has greatly diminished. This use to be a easy decision for foreign students to stay in the US for work opportunities. Nowadays, a US degree isn't considered prestigious outside of a few elite schools and the cost has completely spiraled out of control. I've talked to numerous colleagues who abandoned waiting for a green card because it's no longer a clear cut decision. Oppor…
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Repeatedly denying GAC or banning PrEP as Republicans try to do every few months does indeed lead to death, yes. Granted we're not under Reagan, but Republicans are practically praying for another AIDS crisis and doing everything in their power to make it happen. Straight people largely don't know this because, well, it's not their problem.
Calling this genocide is ridiculous levels of hyperbole This sort of nonsense is why many people do not take LGBT issues very seriously If there was an LGBT genocide happening in America, there would not be open pride celebrations, come on
Re: We already live in social credit, we just don't call it that
#449The issue is that American media/discourse paints a very distorted view of what life under authoritarian rule is like. The truth is in many countries, unless you’re some kind of minority, politically active, or in legal trouble, day-to-day life is mostly similar to life in the west. But people don’t want to hear that, because we want to feel better than them. Like we wouldn’t tolerate that kind of life. Of course the…
> The truth is in many countries...day-to-day life is mostly similar to life in the west. That's true right up until your infallible dear leader invades your neighboring country, fails, and rapidly starts ratcheting down social controls in a desperate attempt to preserve political stability. I don't think Russians would describe day-to-day life as "mostly similar to the west" anymore. China could be next.
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Well, day to day life is similar until it isn't, then you realize you have no options. Your life is nothing more than bubbles in the pond.
Thats exactly the parents point. You only realise you can’t do something when you come into contact with trying to do it. Otherwise you live your life blissfully unaware of how free you arent. Its like how you feel that driving is safer than flying, despite driving being the most dangerous thing most people do… you only realise how dangerous it is when its too late.
> Those who do not move, do not notice their chains.