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Re: Updates to Consumer Terms and Privacy Policy

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That is definitely normally true but I feel like the scale and LLM usage turns it into a different problem. If you can use all of the content of stack overflow to create a “derivative work” that replaces stack overflow, and causes it to lose tons of revenue, is it really a derivative work? I’m pretty sure solution sites like chegg don’t include the actual questions for that reason. The solutions to the questions are…

Stack overflow doesn't really have a legitimate claim to that data either though. Nor do the users, we're just pasting error messages and documentation. It's derivative all the way down. It'll never sit still and behave like property. Privacy makes sense, treating data like property does not.

Point taken, but it still feels like a gray area to me. The value that SO created was the curation of knowledge and high quality discussions that were well indexed and searchable.

The users did provide the data, which is a good point. But there’s a reason SO was so useful to developers and quora was not. It also made it a perfect feeding ground for hungry LLMs.

Then again I’m just guessing that big models are trained on SO. Maybe that’s not true

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I’d say they’re a fundamental technology by now. Imagine how many people rely on them. And I’ve seen some heavy reliance.

I’ve also seen heavy reliance on opioids and that didn’t turn out well.

Agree with you there. And that sorta is the kind of reliance I’m talking about. My friends will ask GPT to read restaurant menus for them lol

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Claude assists me in my math research. The scenario that concerns me is that Claude learns unpublished research ideas from me as we chat and code. Claude then suggests these same ideas to someone else, who legitimately believes this is now their work. Clearly commercial accounts use AI to assist in developing intellectual product, and privacy is mandatory. The same can apply to individuals.

If you talk to a human they're free to discuss your ideas with someone else. Why should LLMs be any different? The likelihood of these models reproducing your ideas word for word is essentially zero anyway. More to the point, respecting your wishes to keep those conversations confidential would risk stifling human progress, so they have to be disregarded for the greater good.

Love to see people being directly and fully against the concept of "confidentiality"

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You can opt out, but the fact that it's opt-in by default and made to look like a simple T/C update prompt leaves a sour taste in my mouth. The five year retention period seems... excessive. I wonder if they've buried anything else objectionable in the new terms. It was the kick in the pants I needed to cancel my subscription.

> opt-in by default Nitpicking: “opt in by default” doesn’t exist, it’s either “opt in”, or “opt out”; this is “opt out”. By definition an “opt out” setting is selected by default.

> By definition an “opt out” setting is selected by default.

No, (IMO) an "opt out" setting / status is assumed/enabled without asking.

So, I think this is opt-in, until Sept 28.

Opt-in, whether pre-checked/pre-ticked or not, means the business asks you.

GDPR requires "affirmative, opt-in consent", perhaps we use that term to mean an opt-in, not pre-ticked.

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A lot of people hold Anthropic as the "clean and ethical" AI company. They're not power hungry, they are focused on safety. Their aesthetic is cool modern valley vibes. Well grounded and in touch. They don't have the stench of Altman or the ominous presence of the tech giants. They make claude code which is the darling LLM of pure souled silicon valley.

> They're not power hungry That is an interesting claim. What makes you believe that? And does this announcement shake that belief in any way? > Their aesthetic is cool modern valley vibes. Does looking cool equal being trustworthy? Doesn’t feel like it should. On the contrary, from observation on HN it seems the websites which look pretty bare bones (none from an LLM company) tend to be perceived as more trustworthy…

It's my perception of how people view the company, not my perception of the company.

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For now. Once this settles in they will change the terms again, with no opt-out option.

It must be so tiring worrying about pointless future things that aren't happening yet.

I don't really worry about them for products I don't use, though.

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Claude assists me in my math research. The scenario that concerns me is that Claude learns unpublished research ideas from me as we chat and code. Claude then suggests these same ideas to someone else, who legitimately believes this is now their work. Clearly commercial accounts use AI to assist in developing intellectual product, and privacy is mandatory. The same can apply to individuals.

> Claude assists me in my math research. Pulling up the ladder behind you :-)

Unpublished work Vs. Published.

Re: Updates to Consumer Terms and Privacy Policy

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Excellent. What were they waiting for up to now?? I thought they already trained on my data. I assume they train, even hope that they train, even when they say they don't. People that want to be data privacy maximalists - fine, don't use their data. But there are people out there (myself) that are on the opposite end of the spectrum, and we are mostly ignored by the companies. Companies just assume people only ever w…

Its incredible to me how seriously people can hold an opinion they've so clearly critically interrogated so little.

It makes sense when you see it as indoctrination than a mere opinion. Quashing critical thinking is the point. How else can you convince people to work against their own interests?

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not remotely worried about leaks, hacks, or sinister usage of your data?

I would far prefer the service use my data to work better and take a few privacy risks. People die all the time from cancer or car accidents. People very rarely die from data leaks. Some countries like Sweden make people's private financial data public information - and yet their people seem happier than ever. Perhaps privacy isn't as important as we think for a good society.

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Re: Updates to Consumer Terms and Privacy Policy

#450

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not remotely worried about leaks, hacks, or sinister usage of your data?

I would far prefer the service use my data to work better and take a few privacy risks. People die all the time from cancer or car accidents. People very rarely die from data leaks. Some countries like Sweden make people's private financial data public information - and yet their people seem happier than ever. Perhaps privacy isn't as important as we think for a good society.

Would you be comfortable posting all of this information here, right now? Your name, address, email address, search history, ChatGPT history, emails, …

If not, why?

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