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4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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4chan isn't rightwing and it never was, but since 2016 and especially since 2020 the userbase has been moving to the left, because at its core 4chan is always counter culture.

But 4chan is most of all pro free speach, which is a different axis, which has opponents left, right and center .

Which speech is it pro free? It's not all speech. People get banned from 4chan.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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I doubt it heavily. CF has control over a large chunk of the global internet - they're not going to go thru their clients one by one and make sure they're doing age verification. That's absurd and far too expensive. The alternative to that is either: 1. UK blocks cloudflare (unlikely, come on now) 2. UK gives cloudflare a pass (fairly common) 3. Somewhere in-between. Maybe UK cares about highly visible people behind…

> they're not going to go thru their clients one by one and make sure they're doing age verification no, they just drop customers when people complain that they host legal content they happen to disagree with (KF).

You're complaining that Cloudflare doesn't want to host a site that literally killed people?

I think if you want cloudflare to host your site, don't kill people with your site. That seems fair IMO.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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> they're not going to go thru their clients one by one and make sure they're doing age verification no, they just drop customers when people complain that they host legal content they happen to disagree with (KF).

You're complaining that Cloudflare doesn't want to host a site that literally killed people? I think if you want cloudflare to host your site, don't kill people with your site. That seems fair IMO.

I think if that were true, there would have at least been an attempt at a court case at the very least. But AFAIK every case they have been involved in, they've won. I am not defending their content, merely a right to exist, especially when you're not breaking any applicable laws.

If you want to talk about content that objectively breaks laws... 8chan hosts monkey torture videos.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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£75 a month seems very reasonable for sports nerds, compared to the cost and availability in the past People don’t want to ly for content, that’s as old as the hills. I don’t do sport, and I wouldn’t fund such a terrible exploitative industry (televised sports is all about getting people hooked on gambling), but I’ve certainly spent that much for entertainment I do like in the past - and far more. A night at the thea…

>£75 a month seems very reasonable for sports nerds, compared to the cost and availability in the past good that you ignore the actual point of the comment that you replied to >That won't actually allow you to watch all of the matches that are played, because for weird historical reasons there's a TV blackout on matches played on Saturday afternoon - even if you've paid for your subscriptions, you'll only be able to…

Given the cost was the first thing mentioned it seems that would be the actual point.

Personally I have no problem with people acquiring shows which are otherwise unavailable, as long as it’s not simply an excuse not to pay, which it so often is.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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I don’t have to show ID, but I do have to pay the bill, which means a direct debit, which means over 18. The correct solution (in addition to bill layer control and arguably compulsory support for an “over 18” tag in dns which would be easy enough to implement for the same sites that currently demand over 18s, would be to help parents utilise parental controls (having recently been through it with Minecraft and fortn…

I think the correct solution would be to make parents responsible for actually using those controls, as they always have been for controlling a child's access to such materials in other media. For example, if you have a stack of explicit DVDs and it becomes apparent that your child has access to them, then you will likely get a visit from social services and potentially suffer legal consequences up to and including r…

Because then parents couldn't just shove a screen in front of their child's face and then proceed to ignore them anymore. Half-kidding, but there are real liability concerns. How much supervision is reasonable? My parents definitely didn't police my every moment on the internet. Actually, quite the opposite

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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We need a DNS server with a history database, not just a cache, preferably with a distributed history database. Visit a website and it was blocked by the "official" DNS? Declare the IP invalid in the webUI (or the browser plugin) of the local DNS and it will get you the previous IP from the database.

/etc/hosts, and /etc/resolv.conf.

And get the original IP from where?

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Or teach people how to point to a different DNS server in an area with laws more amenable to their preferences.

Until coutry implement the great firewall and it becomes a play of cat & mouse.

... or until the blocking starts at the root name servers. There are only a few of them.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Until coutry implement the great firewall and it becomes a play of cat & mouse.

... or until the blocking starts at the root name servers. There are only a few of them.

The root zone file is publicly distributed by IANA [1] so you can download it and ignore the servers themselves. Then your lookup (from the resolver you're running yourself) starts at a particular country's top level.

As for censorship, because it's hierarchical, they'd have to remove an entire country code from the root servers.

[1] https://www.iana.org/domains/root/files

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Could they compel Starlink to not offer service there?

I don't know, is it easy for chinese residents to subscribe and pay invoices for a Starlink connection?

The mechanism for China to compel Starlink to not operate there seems more clear: the leader decides to block all direct and indirect business activities in China, related to Elon Musk.

Is that comparable, for the UK? Maybe other EU members would agree?

As an American, I have trouble comprehending multiple governments colluding to enable mass government censorship, and expecting to stay in power. But, I know nothing of the European mindset.

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