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Post by robotnikman »

beeflet wrote: post #361
highfrequency wrote: post #331

It is frequently suggested that once one of the AI companies reaches an AGI threshold, they will take off ahead of the rest. It's interesting to note that at least so far, the trend has been the opposite: as time goes on and the models get better, the performance of the different company's gets clustered closer together. Right now GPT-5, Claude Opus, Grok 4, Gemini 2.5 Pro all seem quite good across the board (ie the…

Perhaps it is not possible to simulate higher-level intelligence using a stochastic model for predicting text. I am not an AI researcher, but I have friends who do work in the field, and they are not worried about LLM-based AGI because of the diminishing returns on results vs amount of training data required. Maybe this is the bottleneck. Human intelligence is markedly different from LLMs: it requires far fewer examp…

There is also the fact that AI lacks long term memory like humans do. If you consider context length long term memory, its incredibly short compared to that of a human. Maybe if it reaches into the billions or trillions of tokens in length we might have something comparable, or someone comes up with a new solution of some kind

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Post by minimaxir »

wgjordan wrote: post #68

Note it's not available to everyone yet: > GPT-5 Rollout > We are gradually rolling out GPT-5 to ensure stability during launch. Some users may not yet see GPT-5 in their account as we increase availability in stages.

I am seeing it now in the Playground backend.

Re: GPT-5

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Post by archon810 »

surround wrote: post #297

GPT-5 knowledge cutoff: Sep 30, 2024 (10 months before release). Compare that to Gemini 2.5 Pro knowledge cutoff: Jan 2025 (3 months before release) Claude Opus 4.1: knowledge cutoff: Mar 2025 (4 months before release) https://platform.openai.com/docs/models/compare https://deepmind.google/models/gemini/pro/ https://docs.anthropic.com/en/docs/about-claude/models/overv...

And GPT-5 nano and mini cutoff is even earlier - May 30 2024.

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Post by fdsjgfklsfd »

highfrequency wrote: post #331

It is frequently suggested that once one of the AI companies reaches an AGI threshold, they will take off ahead of the rest. It's interesting to note that at least so far, the trend has been the opposite: as time goes on and the models get better, the performance of the different company's gets clustered closer together. Right now GPT-5, Claude Opus, Grok 4, Gemini 2.5 Pro all seem quite good across the board (ie the…

I think they're just reaching the limits of this architecture and when a new type is invented it will be a much bigger step.

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Post by hattmall »

GolDDranks wrote: post #434
highfrequency wrote: post #331

It is frequently suggested that once one of the AI companies reaches an AGI threshold, they will take off ahead of the rest. It's interesting to note that at least so far, the trend has been the opposite: as time goes on and the models get better, the performance of the different company's gets clustered closer together. Right now GPT-5, Claude Opus, Grok 4, Gemini 2.5 Pro all seem quite good across the board (ie the…

I think it's very fortunate, because I used to be an AI doomer. I still kinda am, but at least I'm now about 70% convinced that the current technological paradigm is not going to lead us to a short-term AI apocalypse. The fortunate thing is that we managed to invent an AI that is good at _copying us_ instead of being a truly maveric agent, which kinda limits it to the "average human" output. However, I still think th…

I don't understand the doomer mindset. Like what is it that you think AI is going to do or be capable of doing that's so bad?

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Post by jjani »

iammrpayments wrote: post #435
Topfi wrote: post #281

> 400,000 context window > 128,000 max output tokens > Input $1.25 > Output $10.00 Source: https://platform.openai.com/docs/models/gpt-5 If this performs well in independent needle-in-haystack and adherence evaluations, this pricing with this context window alone would make GPT-5 extremely competitive with Gemini 2.5 Pro and Claude Opus 4.1, even if the output isn't a significant improvement over o3. If the output qu…

You also have to count the cost of having to verify your identity to use the API

It's only a video face scan and your legal ID to SamA, what could possibly go wrong

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Post by hodgehog11 »

highfrequency wrote: post #331

It is frequently suggested that once one of the AI companies reaches an AGI threshold, they will take off ahead of the rest. It's interesting to note that at least so far, the trend has been the opposite: as time goes on and the models get better, the performance of the different company's gets clustered closer together. Right now GPT-5, Claude Opus, Grok 4, Gemini 2.5 Pro all seem quite good across the board (ie the…

It's still not necessarily wrong, just unlikely. Once these developers start using the model to update itself, beyond an unknown threshold of capability, one model could start to skyrocket in performance above the rest. We're not in that phase yet, but judging from what the devs at the end were saying, we're getting uncomfortably (and irresponsibly) close.

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Post by metalliqaz »

lbrito wrote: post #319

All of their prompts start with "Please ...". Gotta be polite with our future overlords!

I think that's one small part of an intentional strategy to make the LLMs seem more like human intelligence. They burn a lot of money, they need to keep alive the myth of just-around-the-corner AGI in order to keep that funding going.

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Post by entropyneur »

This was the first product demo I've watched in my entire life. Not because I am excited for the new tech, but because I'm anxious to know if I'm already being put out of my job. Not this time, it seems.
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