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A.I. researchers are negotiating $250M pay packages

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Re: A.I. researchers are negotiating $250M pay packages

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Post by achenet »

siscia wrote: post #324
aleph_minus_one wrote: post #255

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> What's the likelihood of that? Sufficiently high that Meta is willing to pay such an amount of money. :-)

Also, do you have a better way to spend that money?

downsize Facebook back to like a couple thousand people max, use the resulting savings to retire and start your own AI instead of doing the whole shadow artist "I'll hire John Carmack/top AI researcher to work for me because deep down I can't believe I'd ever be as good as them and my ego is too afraid to look foolish so I won't even try even if deep down that's what I want more than being a capricious billionaire"?

or am I just projecting my beliefs onto Mark Zuckerberg here?

Re: A.I. researchers are negotiating $250M pay packages

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Post by achenet »

krainboltgreene wrote: post #408
ceejayoz wrote: post #305

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People say that sort of thing when it’s a hypothetical. It’s a little different when a quarter billion dollars is actually on offer. Hitmen get what, $5-50k? And that’s for murder.

Yeah man, that’s not fucking good.

no it's capitalism at it's finest.

We get less violent because AI research pays more than murder, so more people focus on being good AI researchers than good killers, and the world is happier for it.

Re: A.I. researchers are negotiating $250M pay packages

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Post by tonyhart7 »

Voultapher wrote: post #437

Slightly fixed title: "One A.I. researcher is negotiating a $250M pay package in made up money that Meta can produce by typing zeros into a spreadsheet." Paying with stock is a neat option for companies that are projected to grow - the very reason why all of big tech desperately wants to be perceived as growing - since it doesn't cost them anything, since they can dilute existing stock holdings at will by claiming th…

Yeah but its not made up money tho, meta(fb) must buy out stocks at certain point while its true that many of its would vested for period of time. it still cost them in the future

what more embarrassing is that they do this to poach AI talent because they massively behind on AI races, like they literally still to the extend of king of social media (fb,instragram,whatsapp etc)

they should do better given how much data, money, resources they have tbh

Re: A.I. researchers are negotiating $250M pay packages

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Post by achenet »

saagarjha wrote: post #409
sebtron wrote: post #378

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Woah, a whopping 0.5%. That's like working 12 minutes more every week. I waste much more time every day because of how slow and sluggish Windows 11 is.

0.5% across all the world's population would be a significant achievement. The fact that you spend this much time in Windows 11 is actually a crime against humanity.

time for another case against Microsoft?

They got off against monopoly charges, how will they handle the ol' "ads in the Start Menu is a crime against humanity on par with genocide"?

Probably like the time Meta handled a genocide in Mynammar: without any serious consequences :DD https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/09/myanmar-faceb...

Re: A.I. researchers are negotiating $250M pay packages

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Post by cindyllm »

achenet wrote: post #442
krainboltgreene wrote: post #408

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Yeah man, that’s not fucking good.

no it's capitalism at it's finest. We get less violent because AI research pays more than murder, so more people focus on being good AI researchers than good killers, and the world is happier for it.

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Re: A.I. researchers are negotiating $250M pay packages

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Post by tonyhart7 »

peterlk wrote: post #223
cm2187 wrote: post #201

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What I don't understand in this AI race is that the #2 or #3 is not years behind #1, I understand it is months behind at worst. Does that headstart really matter to justify those crazy comps? Will takes years for large corporations to integrate those things. Also takes years for the general public to change their habits. And if the .com era taught us anything, it is that none of the ultimate winners were the first to…

There is a group of wealthy individuals who have bought in to the idea that the singularity (AIs improving themselves faster than humans can) is months away. Whoever gets there first will get compound growth first, and no one will be able to catch up. If you do not believe this narrative, then your .com era comment is a pretty good analysis.

why we acting like this group wealthy individuals don't know what happening???

they know it may be or not gonna happen because months its ridiculous, but they still need to do it anyway since if you not gonna ride it, you are gonna miss the wave

stock market has not been rational since??? forever??? like stop pumping and dumping happen all the time

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Post by TrackerFF »

matt_cogito wrote: post #257

Am I reading this correctly: an AI researcher might get paid roughly the same amount of money as the largest transfer of a soccer player in history (Neymar at €220M)? There is hope for humanity. Jokes aside, how and why?

Why: Zuck knows exactly one trick, and that is to throw money at a problem.

I don't know what the current tally on his metaverse fiasco is, but if he can spend billions upon billions on that, then poaching AI researchers and engineers for a fraction of that isn't really out of character.

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Post by ath3nd »

arcanemachiner wrote: post #340
libraryatnight wrote: post #289

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I weep for humanity.

Everyone has a price. Mine is a hell of a lot lower than $250M, and I would bet half of that that yours is too.

No amount of money (or torture) can make me work for Meta, Palantir or Amazon.

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Post by bildung »

nopinsight wrote: post #402
SturgeonsLaw wrote: post #381

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If it were me, yeah, park it in bonds and live off the interest on a tropical beach. Spend my days spearfishing and drinking beers with the locals. Have no concerns except how even my tan is (and tbh I don't see myself caring too much about that). I'd forget the word shareholder even exists.

Sounds good in theory but I'd be bored to death in a month, at most two. Traveling the world...maybe good for a few more months and that's it. Wouldn't you yearn for any more impact given how much that amount of resource could improve the lives of many, if used wisely?

If you want to improve the lives of many, by all means go for it, I think that is a wonderful ambition to have in live and something I strive for, too!

But we are talking about an ad company here, trying to branch out into ai to sell more ads, right? Meta existing is without a doubt a net negative for mankind.

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Post by ath3nd »

bbor wrote: post #373
exasperaited wrote: post #250

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This is IMO a comical, absurd, Beeple NFT type situation, which should point us to roughly where we are in the bubble. But if he's getting real, non-returnable actual money from Meta on the basis of a back of envelope calculation for his own startup, from Meta's need to satiate Mark Zuckerberg's FOMO, then good for him. This bubble cannot burst soon enough, but I hope he gets to keep some of this; he deserves it simp…

I'm not a conspiracy person, but it's hard not to believe that some cruel god sent us crypto just a few years before we accidentally achieved AGI just to mess with us. So many people are confident that AGI is impossible and LLMs are a passing fad based to a large degree on the idea that SV isn't trustworthy -- I'd probably be there too, if I wasn't in the field myself. It's a hard pattern not to recognize, even if n~…

Dude, LLMs are a very sophisticated autocomplete with a few tricks down their sleeve. From that to AGI or Zuck's "superintelligence" is just light years... LLMs are a dead end for "intelligence".

We are talking about the promises of the same crop of people who brought you full Autopilot on Tesla (still waiting since 2019 when it was supposed to happen), or the Boring Tunnel, the Metaverse, and their latest products are an office suite and "study mode".

https://www.computerworld.com/article/4021949/openai-goes-fo...

https://openai.com/index/chatgpt-study-mode/

This is EXACTLY the same as NFTs, Crypto, Web3, Mars. Some gurus and thought leaders talk big talk while taking gullible investors' money and hope nobody asks them how they plan to turn in a profit.

My edgy prediction is that blunder after blunder (Metaverse, LLAMA, the enshittification of whatsapp, instagram losing heavily to tiktok and facebook having mostly dead accounts) and now giving 250M in vapor-money to youngsters, this is Meta's last stab in the dark before they finally get exposed for how irrelevant they are. Then no amount of groveling to Trump or MMA would be able to save the Zuck from being seen for what he really is: an irrelevant morally bankrupt douche (I could say the same about Elon as well) just trying out random stuff and talking big.

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