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I think you are right with chronic vs immediate stressors. Economic anxiety could be the big one, and people don’t see the end of the tunnel.
Medieval peasants didn't see the end of the tunnel either. I'm skeptical that the type and quantity of stress is really worse now.
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When to resort to ECT is a subjective decision of doctor and patient. It is clear it should come after other treatments failed. But there is no clear line.
Everything is subjective at the margins, but that’s ignoring the clear cut examples where it’s not going to be considered.
The 2nd sentence outlined when it would be considered and implicitly when it would not.
You seem to believe some cases of depression warrant ECT. Some do not. It's subjective at the margins. But don't call it a spectrum!
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Cheer up, the lake of shit you’re caged in is at its lowest level on record. Slightly more seriously, things will be on an upward trajectory until they aren’t. There are some decent reasons to think we might be nearing the peak.
That's a meaningless claim, devoid of any evidence. At most points in human history there were decent reasons to think we were near the peak. And yet with some occasional temporary valleys, average human living conditions continued to improve.
There is a significant meaning to my claim, which is that it's unconvincing to make exactly the sort of "it has always worked out before" argument that you're making here.
The lovable aphorisms we had for people with character quirks were largely from our original support systems. What no one is talking about is the reason therapy-talk has become so pervasive is because all those support systems: family, friends, and local communities (religious or otherwise), have all degraded so severely for most that therapy is the only option for reaching out and getting help.
except they weren't really "support systems" i mean they were, if you got lucky. If you were neurotypical; if you bought in to the local religious sect's particular flavour and embraced it wholeheartedly; if you followed the other local cults of sports fandoms; if you were lucky enough to either have family without their own trauma that didn't take it out on you OR decided to repress it in exactly the same way that t…
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You're really missing the point. No one here is claiming that ADHD isn't real. It's listed in the DSM. But there are practical techniques that people can use to improve their lives regardless of whether they have a mental health condition or not.
He did not deny that it is in DSM or that there are people who fit the definition provided there. Usually such techniques tend to not work when they are suggested by people who haven't experienced the consdition and haven't put serious thought into them.
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>The feedback of reality will fix it, like for all young people. "A child who isn't disciplined at home, will be disciplined outside of the home" - old African proverb. The issue is kids growing up without being taught accountability, but instead that they're perpetual victims of "the system" created by evil old white men, and therefore nothing they do is ever their fault. This is the fault of the parents, school sys…
I've seen this kind of thing and it annoys me to no end. However that seems to be a small minority among many. But the majority of young adults are rightfully asking hard questions. Why should they suffer the consequences of political and corporate mismanagement ? Why is accountability rarely invoked when it comes to people in power? Why is it OK for old disgruntled people to yell at them for things they have nothing…
As young adults always had, since the dawn of time.
And as they've received and comprehended the answers, most quickly stopped asking.
That is part of what becoming an adult, without the "young" bit, means. It's not like these things are unknowable, or that the "system of things" is secretive. It's all rather obvious - it just takes a little time and experience to figure out the questions and notice the answers.
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> Why should they suffer the consequences of political and corporate mismanagement?
Because that's how it works. It's not that different from asking, why should they suffer the consequences of a tree falling on them and crushing them? Because they happened to stand under it at the time, duh!
Society and civilization aren't fixtures created by nature/God - they're built out of human interactions. People pursuing all kinds of interests, alone or in groups, navigating around each other, cooperating, convincing or coercing each other. It's all abstract systems created and maintained by strangers. And the unfortunate reality is, someone screws up somewhere badly enough, everyone downstream of it suffers.
The sad irony is, the consequences they ask about come from mismanagement of systems that were created in the past to shield people from consequences of failure of earlier versions of the same or similar systems! That's what civilization is, in a way - stacking systemic solutions to problems of previous systems!
The silver lining is in hoping that every iteration makes less people suffer consequences and to a lesser degree.
> Why is accountability rarely invoked when it comes to people in power?
It is invoked much more often than they think, but they're not able to recognize it - it looks different than with people not in power. And it needs to be different, because the situation is different too.
> Why is it OK for old disgruntled people to yell at them for things they have nothing to do with?
Why is it OK for them to yell at old disgruntled people for things they have nothing to do with? Yelling is easy. Understanding that almost no one individually has much influence on how things are, that can unfortunately take a lifetime.
> Why should they take us seriously if we don't take them seriously?
Because that's how life works. It was the same for us when we were young, and for our parents when they were young, etc. Young people don't know shit about life, and don't even realize that yet. Over time, they acquire knowledge, experience and relationships, and various kinds of power - and along the way, they are treated more and more seriously, until they themselves become the people "running things" and start hearing the same questions they used to ask from the next generation of kids.
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To be clear: I'm not saying that things are all ideal, or even perfectly fine. I'm just saying that the answers to those questions aren't mysterious, and figuring them out is exactly what growing up to be an adult in a society looks like. It always has, which is why you can see the exact same complaints about "kids these days" and "old farts" showing up in every period in history, all the way back to ancient Greece and earlier.
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Did this person ask for the advice? Also, treating children without empathy, like objects, is not the solution to the problem.
Demonstrating empathy is great but it's not a valid reason to tolerate misbehavior. And being on time for school is more important.
Teaching kids discipline without empathy doesn't create resilience. It creates shame, masking, and fear of expressing emotions. And yeah, being on time matters. But so does understanding why the kid is melting down in the first place, especially if it’s a recurring thing. Otherwise, you’re just dragging a panicked, overwhelmed human out the door like a bag of potatoes and calling it a parenting win.
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Why would it be unrealistic for 20% of women to like women too at least somewhat? It is not stigmatized anymore. And statistically, males are more more dangerous partly due to strength and partly due to ideologies they sign up for. So, a woman a little attracted to other woman has more motivation to admit it. The phenomenon of men having sex relationships with other men in male only environments (jail, army) existed…
What happens in prison and the army is not generally consensual.
That being said, studies I read involved both kind - consensual as well. Not all of it is rape.
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Everything is subjective at the margins, but that’s ignoring the clear cut examples where it’s not going to be considered.
> that’s ignoring the clear cut examples where it’s not going to be considered The 2nd sentence outlined when it would be considered and implicitly when it would not. You seem to believe some cases of depression warrant ECT. Some do not. It's subjective at the margins. But don't call it a spectrum!
Spectrums extend continuously from normal to disorders. So if you believe depression is a spectrum you must also believe that no treatment is necessary for some people with depression. However if depression is a disorder there may be some cases that are on the margins that aren’t quite depression that still warrant some forms of treatment.
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> that’s ignoring the clear cut examples where it’s not going to be considered The 2nd sentence outlined when it would be considered and implicitly when it would not. You seem to believe some cases of depression warrant ECT. Some do not. It's subjective at the margins. But don't call it a spectrum!
No that’s not what I just said. Spectrums extend continuously from normal to disorders. So if you believe depression is a spectrum you must also believe that no treatment is necessary for some people with depression. However if depression is a disorder there may be some cases that are on the margins that aren’t quite depression that still warrant some forms of treatment.