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Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft and people are paying anyway

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Re: Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft and people are paying anyway

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Post by tacocataco »

nixpulvis wrote: post #237
gavinray wrote: post #226

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Exactly, I will pay a premium for not having to deal with a human being in the car with me. It's a dice roll: you could get a very extroverted driver who won't leave you alone, or someone who smells bad, or someone rude, or a distracted driver... Just let me sit in peace, alone with a robot.

Isolationism progresses.

Going outside costs $200 a day, and i cant afford to spend 1/4 my paycheck 7 times a week.

Also, I'm just doing my best to get the most out of the ludicrously high rent is pay every month.

Re: Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft and people are paying anyway

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Post by theamk »

teeray wrote: post #411
MBCook wrote: post #308

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Not yet enshittified > currently enshitiffied If they get worse, I’ll. Choose something else if I want. They’re not in my area today, but just because they may get worse does t mean you should avoid them today.

All the while though, they’re taking the air out of the room for any alternatives you might choose in the future. It only gets really enshittified once market dominance has been established.

Are there any alternatives?

Both Uber and Lyft and over decade old, and until Waymo came, there were no real alternatives to them.

Re: Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft and people are paying anyway

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Post by whimsicalism »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #440
harmmonica wrote: post #137

As a Waymo-booster on HN for a while now, here's my latest anecdote. I tried to figure out how to take Waymo to LAX even though it's not actually in their territory yet just because I value the experience so much. I was borderline going to take it within walking distance (about half a mile), but got lazy at the last minute. I took Lyft instead, and, as if the universe cursed my laziness, I booked a "comfort" car for…

Another recent anecdote. A friend was recently in Milwaukee (first time ever. He was there for a conference). He, his wife, and another friend, wanted to go out to eat. They were given a wrong address. Could have been the source, or it could have been they screwed up writing it down. It was definitely a wrong address, though, that they gave to Uber. The driver picked them up, and took them to the address, which was d…

The only difference with the Waymo experience would be that there would be nobody your friend could threaten to assault for putting in the wrong address.

Re: Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft and people are paying anyway

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Post by raptorfactor »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #440
harmmonica wrote: post #137

As a Waymo-booster on HN for a while now, here's my latest anecdote. I tried to figure out how to take Waymo to LAX even though it's not actually in their territory yet just because I value the experience so much. I was borderline going to take it within walking distance (about half a mile), but got lazy at the last minute. I took Lyft instead, and, as if the universe cursed my laziness, I booked a "comfort" car for…

Another recent anecdote. A friend was recently in Milwaukee (first time ever. He was there for a conference). He, his wife, and another friend, wanted to go out to eat. They were given a wrong address. Could have been the source, or it could have been they screwed up writing it down. It was definitely a wrong address, though, that they gave to Uber. The driver picked them up, and took them to the address, which was d…

If your friend thinks it's okay to threaten to assault a driver, especially for an issue that wasn't the driver's fault, then it sounds like "da hood" is where he belongs...

Re: Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft and people are paying anyway

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Post by happyopossum »

kanbara wrote: post #438
1024core wrote: post #302

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The other day I almost got ran over by an old lady in her old Volvo wagon at a stop sign. She seemed to have gotten confused a little and was turning left but couldn't figure out the right move to make. People behind her honked and she decided to just go for it. I happened to be in the crosswalk and just happened to look over at the honking, and saw her coming, so managed to jump out of her way. She was easily over 9…

this is 10000% the wrong approach— the approach is to build better, more walkable cities, with better zoning, and public transit so elderly or disabled people aren’t left out of society. these people shouldn’t be behind the wheel of a car; to me one of the biggest annoyances with american life

So tear down every city in the country and rebuild them all from scratch, then force the ~45% of people that don’t live in those cities to move there.

And that’s better than mandating a small percentage of the population use FSD cars?

Not sure I like the autocratic tone of that plan

Re: Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft and people are paying anyway

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Post by ghushn3 »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #440
harmmonica wrote: post #137

As a Waymo-booster on HN for a while now, here's my latest anecdote. I tried to figure out how to take Waymo to LAX even though it's not actually in their territory yet just because I value the experience so much. I was borderline going to take it within walking distance (about half a mile), but got lazy at the last minute. I took Lyft instead, and, as if the universe cursed my laziness, I booked a "comfort" car for…

Another recent anecdote. A friend was recently in Milwaukee (first time ever. He was there for a conference). He, his wife, and another friend, wanted to go out to eat. They were given a wrong address. Could have been the source, or it could have been they screwed up writing it down. It was definitely a wrong address, though, that they gave to Uber. The driver picked them up, and took them to the address, which was d…

If I was that driver, you bet I'd be contacting Uber to try and get your friend banned for life. Threatening a driver is never ok, even less so when it's not his fault.

Re: Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft and people are paying anyway

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Post by ghushn3 »

loloquwowndueo wrote: post #275
fluidcruft wrote: post #272

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There's also the issue of tipping. I haven't been in a waymo but I generally tip well in Uber or Lyft. I wouldn't tip a robot. So at least to me $15+$5 tip vs $20 is pretty much a wash.

Holy crap that’s 33% tip!

It's also a small, $5 tip. When you get small numbers, like $5, it tends to blow out the percentages.

Re: Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft and people are paying anyway

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Post by ghushn3 »

happyopossum wrote: post #445
kanbara wrote: post #438

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this is 10000% the wrong approach— the approach is to build better, more walkable cities, with better zoning, and public transit so elderly or disabled people aren’t left out of society. these people shouldn’t be behind the wheel of a car; to me one of the biggest annoyances with american life

So tear down every city in the country and rebuild them all from scratch, then force the ~45% of people that don’t live in those cities to move there. And that’s better than mandating a small percentage of the population use FSD cars? Not sure I like the autocratic tone of that plan

This is a pretty uncharitable read of the parent poster. Many cities are upzoning, which means that corridors are being torn down and built more densely. During those times, we're seeing a lot more mixed use, walkable and bikeable spaces introduced. In Seattle we're seeing streets being closed and lanes being removed to support biking and walking.

You can make walkable enclaves neighborhood by neighborhood. And those sites are really desirable. Especially near transit. The right approach is to build more like this until there's no one left who wants to live there and cannot. For the remaining folks who have no interest in it, sure, they can have automated cars.

But right now the line is out the door for this sort of place and we cannot build them fast enough.

Re: Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft and people are paying anyway

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Post by raverbashing »

ghushn3 wrote: post #446
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #440

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Another recent anecdote. A friend was recently in Milwaukee (first time ever. He was there for a conference). He, his wife, and another friend, wanted to go out to eat. They were given a wrong address. Could have been the source, or it could have been they screwed up writing it down. It was definitely a wrong address, though, that they gave to Uber. The driver picked them up, and took them to the address, which was d…

If I was that driver, you bet I'd be contacting Uber to try and get your friend banned for life. Threatening a driver is never ok, even less so when it's not his fault.

Then maybe don't threaten to leave a family in a dangerous area while they're offering to pay it

Re: Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft and people are paying anyway

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Post by ghushn3 »

silvr wrote: post #159
passwordoops wrote: post #156

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>Waymos will get cheaper to make as they scale up. Meaning their profits will rise as they inevitably increase prices

Minority view here I'm sure but maybe profits are a just reward for inventing the future - this is literally science fiction come to life

Why? Why is not "everyone has access" and "wellbeing for everyone" the reward for inventing the future?

Why is "that person gets to be extraordinarily wealthy" for inventing the future rather than "we all chipped in so we could all benefit" for inventing the future?

If Waymos make the world better and safer and more convenient, why are they not simply something we figure out how to make a public good?

In Star Trek you didn't have to pay to take the turbolift or transporter around large spaces, everyone got the benefits of the technology.

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