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Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by ExoticPearTree »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #261
ExoticPearTree wrote: post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LA is actively supporting illegal immigrants. If you want something like this to work, federal agents need to do it.

> If you want something like this to work, federal agents need to do it Doing the arrests? Sure. Intimidating protesters for partisan messaging while desecrating the honour of our armed forces? No.

They are doing arrests and others are trying to block them from doing arrests. That is why the National Guard had to step it, because local law enforcement did nothing to protect ICE from the mobs that try to set free illegals.

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Post by Amezarak »

ivape wrote: post #150
bix6 wrote: post #49

This is terrifying and unconscionable. Hard to believe this is the USA today. I don’t really see this de-escalating given the ongoing rhetoric but I hope I’m wrong.

It’s interesting ICE raided the outside of a Home Depot. Like, of all the immigrants, the immigrants that stand outside of Home Depot do the hardest physical labor. There’s no heart to what’s going on.

This is exactly where they should raid. I have a lot of friends and family that work construction. Illegal immigration has absolutely destroyed the construction labor market by undercutting wages. People should be a fair wage for their work. We shouldn't promote pushing wages down by importing more people, especially desperate people.

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Post by [deleted] »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #417
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is what Canada mostly does and it’s super effective, the problem is that the people who employ illegal immigrants: farmers, construction contractors, hotel owners, etc…belong to the same party pushing against illegal immigration, they would basically be punishing themselves, so it isn’t going to happen.

Doesn't post-pandemic Canada have the highest rate of legal immigration in years since government gives out immigration visas like candy? I can't see how this is good in a country that already has a stagnating economy and a housing crisis. You're eroding the bargaining power of local labor and increasing competition for housing in an already tight market.

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Post by rythmshifter »

spiderfarmer wrote: post #420
davidguetta wrote: post #414

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress They are arguing there's an insurrenction in California.

There isn't. So don't repeat this 'argument' like it has any substance whatsoever.

"My Mexican flag. Green, white, and red! That's my flag! Not this flag. Fúck this flag! I pledge allegiance to Mexico. Nobody else. Not this country."

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Post by the_gipsy »

kpw94 wrote: post #302
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> One fights the enemies of the state "At stake is a fundamental component of the framework of US constitutional democracy. It begins with the principle, enshrined in law, that military forces exist to protect the country from existential threats — such as an invasion or rebellion — not to enforce the law. Most fundamentally, the founders of the American republic understood very clearly that concentrated military pow…

> military forces exist to protect the country from existential threats — such as an invasion or rebellion — not to enforce the law. serious question: are Countries such as Italy, France etc not a democracy? All of them are, verbatim from wikipedia, "a military force with law enforcement duties among the civilian population.". Ditto for spain Guardia Civil, and many of the countries listed in that same wiki page: Alg…

Having police not separated from military doesn't invalidate the democracy, it just makes it easier to subvert democracy at some point.

The spanish Guardia Civil is a very good example of a police force tied too deeply with the military. In 1981 some parts of the force attempted an actual coup, with one guy entering the parliament and shooting in the air (or ceiling).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981_Spanish_coup_attempt

The continuity of the Guardia Civil after Franco's dictatorship is one of many vestiges that has not been removed due to fears of creating an instability leading to some coup and a reversal to fascism. IMHO this may have been justified the years immediately after Franco's death, but should have been addressed at some point. See the 1981 coup as for why "appeasing" the oppressors usually doesn't work out, or even works out for the oppressors.

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Post by mrtksn »

barrenko wrote: post #241
kmarc wrote: post #222

As a Hungarian, told my friends in November: "the election results, Project 2025, the newly elected president, etc... is the same old story we have already seen with Orban 10+y ago. But don't worry, the US has a much better established democracy, shit can't really go as wrong as in Eastern-Europe" Well, I'm not so sure about that last part anymore.

I used to think that the quote "Elections have consequences." is much much more benign.

At some point the "If voting changed anything, they’d make it illegal" quote went popular among the leftists. At the same time the right wing were convinced that elections are rigged.

Turns out it's all BS. Unless it already deteriorated, and no it has not deteriorated in most of the world, votes do count and you live with the outcome which may include the eventual reality of vites stop counting. It's very weird, I can't form an opinion if its a psyop or just how the societies work.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

ExoticPearTree wrote: post #441
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you want something like this to work, federal agents need to do it Doing the arrests? Sure. Intimidating protesters for partisan messaging while desecrating the honour of our armed forces? No.

They are doing arrests and others are trying to block them from doing arrests. That is why the National Guard had to step it, because local law enforcement did nothing to protect ICE from the mobs that try to set free illegals.

> They are doing arrests and others are trying to block them from doing arrests

The only "they" doing arrests are ICE and the LAPD. The California National Guard isn't arresting anyone to my knowledge.

> local law enforcement did nothing to protect ICE from the mobs that try to set free illegals

Source? For literally any of this sentence.

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Post by [deleted] »

marcus_holmes wrote: post #322
notepad0x90 wrote: post #245

Politics aside, LA just can't seem to catch a break. Floods last year, fires earlier this year and now this. That said, what the current administration is doing is almost like they're following a manual other countries followed on their road to nationalistic decline and all the right people in places of power seem to know this. I wonder if they're ready for it? My observation is that the previous administration had f…

> The planned decline of America won't be like other countries because of post-WW2 "super power" repositioning of country and it's critical role in global trade, communications and finance. All of humanity might suffer, at least that's my fear. Yeah, the decline of the British Empire is starting to look sedate and well-managed compared to this. I'm sure because the USA was there to pick up any slack that Britain drop…

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Post by trashtester »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #380
ta1243 wrote: post #379

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Presidents are immune from all charges and can pardon themselves in any case

> Presidents are immune from all charges and can pardon themselves None of this is legally established.

Presidents may not be able to pardon themselves, but they ARE immune from prosecution through the regular legal system for any actions taken as part of the office as president.

The only way to go after them (given the current SCOTUS, who made the ruling above), is impeachment. And for that, the president has to do something so bad that 67 senators are willing to find the president guilty.

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Post by trashtester »

trilbyglens wrote: post #425
Larrikin wrote: post #224

If illegal immigration is such a problem, why not fine businesses 5x salary for using the labor, for as long as it was used? There are a lot of systems in place to verify working status at this point. It eliminates any incentive to hire this cheaper labor willing to work for lower wages. The people coming will be coming for a variety of reasons but it won't be to take the jobs of the uneducated Americans

Because the system is designed to allow these people in a gray zone, so they do not have access to the same rights as citizens and therefore can be exploited. The problem is not illegal immigration. It's just a political football. Our economy would fily collapse without this cheap labor to exploit.

It would not collapase. But it would shift some purchaing power from the middle class to the working class if all of them would leave, as working class salaries would go up even faster than the inflatino it would cause.
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