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Re: Try Switching to Kagi

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Being "apolitical" is no excuse for funding a russian company (yandex). If they did not do this I would probably be a paying customer. There is nothing else in this space that has the trust or features that kagi has. The other point I have heard them say about using yandex is that there isn't another index that they could use that would be as good. This is a sound argument, but I would rather have worse image search…

I would consider reading Vlad's response to this which is extremely measured and not at all "throwing his hands up" at the issue.

Neither of you wish to link to what you're referencing?

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

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I switched about two months ago, paid for a year. It's such a relief, it's like having search of ten years ago back again. It just works, and no useless crap. Options that make sense to ME, not to the profit line.

I'm now paying for:

- Search

- Email

- News

- Backups

Of course I'd rather not spend the money, but ALL these services are leagues ahead of the ad-supported alternatives. This is how the Internet should work.

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Re: Try Switching to Kagi

#445

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To me, it is not the results that are the kicker. It is that I no longer have to waste my time filtering out Google customers paying for my attention. Every result in Kagi is there to try to help ME. Not Google. Not their customers. And even though DDG is fine privacy-wise, in this regard they are no better than Google.

> It is that I no longer have to waste my time filtering out Google customers paying for my attention. Can you explain what this means in more detail? (To be clear, I'm not trying to be adversarial, I'm asking for a sales pitch :) )

Google's customers are the companies who pay them to place adverts in search results. The results page includes them and it's not always clear at a glance which results are promoted/paid.

Kagi makes this a non-issue.

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

#446

For those who tried both: Kagi or Perplexity? I'm considering them both, buy I'll only pay for one...

The first answer is to try each one full time for a week and see which one is better for your use case.

For my part, I loved the eye candy on perplexity, but I caught it mixing up answers a few times and I lost confidence. The other part is that I felt passive in the search process, while on Kagi I am/feel empowered thanks to the advanced controls.

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

#447
post #422

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I’ve used keyword search for many years, maybe since Netscape. Set it up and type “w thing”, no quotes. Can be a lot shorter.

Yep, I prefer the Firefox keywords for various sites, and to disable search support entirely. For those who haven't tried this yet: the bookmark for Wikipedia might look something like this: Name: [SEARCH] WIKIPEDIA URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=%s Keyword: w Then, when you want to do a Wikipedia search, go to the URL&search bar, and enter `w` as the first word, followed by the search term, such as…

Also, there’s a shortcut to make the entry. Right click on the search input of the desired page and select make keyword search.

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

#448

About a year ago, I tried the free 300 search trial. I liked it, but wasn't ready to commit to the expense. This year, they offered me a free 30 day unlimited trial, so I'm about 10 days into that. I've only used 128 searches so far. What I seem to find is that I use it, get to what I'm looking for, and move on. So it's not really on my mind. But it's subtly refreshing to spend less time fighting search to get what I…

I finished my 30 day trial the other week, and went back to DDG. After a few days, I realized I didn't miss anything, so I'll happily stay with DDG. Perhaps I'm not a very discerning searcher. Most of my searches are bang-searches of Wikipedia or CPP or Python anyway. Still, I'd be fine with supporting a sustainable search engine. $10/more is a bit too steep for my liking, though, measured against the utility I get f…

Feel the same. I liked it during the trial, but not THAT much.

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

#449

My experience with Kagi was not as positive as everyone else's here. I didn't find the search results to be better and perhaps that's because I am used to google foo to extract decent results there. So I made Kagi my default engine everywhere and used it exclusively for more than a month before giving up. The response time for search results isn't too long but that difference from google's response time, which I had…

Part of the problem is that Google has been actively sabotaging google-fu for quite some time now. E.g. ignoring quoting in queries.

This is so infuriating that it single-handedly made me start looking for alternatives.

There is a noticeable friction now in using Google for searching. A pretty good example of how a decent product gets ruined by accountants and shareholder demand.

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

#450

My experience with Kagi was not as positive as everyone else's here. I didn't find the search results to be better and perhaps that's because I am used to google foo to extract decent results there. So I made Kagi my default engine everywhere and used it exclusively for more than a month before giving up. The response time for search results isn't too long but that difference from google's response time, which I had…

Part of the problem is that Google has been actively sabotaging google-fu for quite some time now. E.g. ignoring quoting in queries.

Agreed. It is a major annoyance and the primary reason I was exploring other options. However, even though it is infuriating when google refuses to not respect my query, the number of such queries for me are limited and thus I can use Kagi(and lately exploring search in ChatGPT). The amount of such searches I have needed haven't exceeded 100 on Kagi so I haven't had the need to resubscribe yet but if they do I guess I will maintain the subscription. However with the response time issue I doubt I would ever want it to be my primary search provider.
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