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Discord's face scanning age checks 'start of a bigger shift'

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Re: Discord's face scanning age checks 'start of a bigger shift'

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Post by exe34 »

monkeywork wrote: post #156
exe34 wrote: post #111

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that sounds quite puritan. my god says I can't, is one thing. my god says you can't either, is very different. now replace god with parent.

You realize that is how EVERY law works right... The person your replying to says the public overall supports the idea/law. If following that law is a deal breaker for you you either need to persuade thos ppl to your view or move

A law to stop people from not going out of their way to include you when you made a choice to be unreachable sounds pretty desperate.

Re: Discord's face scanning age checks 'start of a bigger shift'

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Post by exe34 »

jasonfarnon wrote: post #160
exe34 wrote: post #111

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that sounds quite puritan. my god says I can't, is one thing. my god says you can't either, is very different. now replace god with parent.

maybe it's "puritan" or maybe it's a normal view and it looks puritan from where you stand. how do you know which? One bit of evidence is the 2/3 to 1/3 split.

Everybody loves government overreach until the government starts to tell you how to live.

Re: Discord's face scanning age checks 'start of a bigger shift'

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Post by lupusreal »

iamacyborg wrote: post #382
lupusreal wrote: post #329

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My impression is that parents are increasingly alarmed at young boys becoming bitter misogynists. Maybe that isn't happening and it's just a moral panic? Or maybe those boys watching lots of pornography and coming to believe that women are whores are two entirely unrelated phenomenons? Media diet shapes what we are, and kids are more impressionable than most. It is therefore natural and reasonable for parents to want…

> My impression is that parents are increasingly alarmed at young boys becoming bitter misogynists This seems more in line with the increase of mysoginist influencers (Andrew Tate and the like) and less to do with porn. The former of course being the type of content that social media companies are more than happy to proactively promote to children.

Why are they in a state of mind where people like Andrew Tate resonant with them in the first place?

Re: Discord's face scanning age checks 'start of a bigger shift'

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Post by iamacyborg »

lupusreal wrote: post #443
iamacyborg wrote: post #382

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> My impression is that parents are increasingly alarmed at young boys becoming bitter misogynists This seems more in line with the increase of mysoginist influencers (Andrew Tate and the like) and less to do with porn. The former of course being the type of content that social media companies are more than happy to proactively promote to children.

Why are they in a state of mind where people like Andrew Tate resonant with them in the first place?

Because they’re young and impressionable.

Re: Discord's face scanning age checks 'start of a bigger shift'

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Post by redczar »

RHSeeger wrote: post #439
redczar wrote: post #302

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Such a proof does not exist. It is already the case that your porn viewing habits can be leaked. It’s just that at present the one storing the information is not the government.

Then create one, or something much better than is being demanded, first; before demanding companies use it. If a porn company has to collect all the information about me (name, address, age, etc) and keep it in their database then, if they get hacked, then all that information, connected to what I viewed, is available to the hackers. If the porn company has an ID that it assigns each person, and it reaches out to som…

Then create one, or something much better than is being demanded, first; before demanding companies use it.

Before demanding car companies build safer vehicles I first invented the seat belt.

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Post by michaelt »

throwaway290 wrote: post #404
michaelt wrote: post #174

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Unfortunately, no amount of blockchains and zero-knowledge proofs can compensate for the fact that 15 year old has a 18 year old friend. Or the fact that other 15 year old looks older than some 20 year olds. Or the fact that other 15 year old's dad often leaves his wallet, with his driving license, unattended. Over the next five years, you can look forward to a steady trickle of stories in the press about shocked par…

None of these things are a problem. > 15 year old has a 18 year old friend Adults can be prosecuted for helping minors circumvent the checks. > Or the fact that other 15 year old looks older than some 20 year olds See Australian approach. Site can verify you and both government and site don't know who you are. No need for photo. > shocked parents finding No law is a replacement for bad parenting. But good parenting i…

> Adults can be prosecuted for helping minors circumvent the checks.

If you skip the need for privacy protection and just retain a copy of the photo ID used to verify the account? Then sure.

But if age is validated in a way that preserves privacy? Then there's no evidence linking the adult to the crime.

Re: Discord's face scanning age checks 'start of a bigger shift'

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Post by bccdee »

9dev wrote: post #418
bccdee wrote: post #415

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> If it bothers you enough, you’re supposed to create your own party. Yeah, and that party wouldn't get any seats. I'm sorry, how did we go from "the state IS the population" to "well if your policy preferences fall outside the two agendas on offer, you have to start an electorally-successful third party—something NOBODY has managed to do—and if you don't or if it doesn't work, then it's your fault." It sounds like y…

I respectfully disagree. If we replace all idealism with realism in the way we think about our political system, there is nothing left to do other than burying our heads in the sand. I firmly believe that people must participate in democracy, and that involves fighting for your convictions. It's not your fault how things are, but doing nothing and expecting things to get better on their own isn't going to work either…

Realism doesn't mean doing nothing. It means taking a critical attitude toward your own strategies for effecting change.

> but doing nothing and expecting things to get better on their own isn't going to work either

Isn't this exactly what you advocate for? You say democracies faithfully represent the will of the people, and yet the American president's rock-bottom approval ratings indicate otherwise. Your attitude (correct me if I'm misrepresenting you) is basically that the system is fine, and the problem is that all the people in it are just irresponsible. Well, that's not a plan to fix anything. It's a do-nothing ideology. Or are you going to wave your magic wand and make everyone responsible?

> By living in a democracy, you enjoy boundless riches, housing, health care, fair trials

Tell that to poor people, homeless people, uninsured people, and the countless people unjustly imprisoned in the largest prison system in the world (1.8 million inmates).

Re: Discord's face scanning age checks 'start of a bigger shift'

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Post by throwaway290 »

michaelt wrote: post #446
throwaway290 wrote: post #404

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None of these things are a problem. > 15 year old has a 18 year old friend Adults can be prosecuted for helping minors circumvent the checks. > Or the fact that other 15 year old looks older than some 20 year olds See Australian approach. Site can verify you and both government and site don't know who you are. No need for photo. > shocked parents finding No law is a replacement for bad parenting. But good parenting i…

> Adults can be prosecuted for helping minors circumvent the checks. If you skip the need for privacy protection and just retain a copy of the photo ID used to verify the account? Then sure. But if age is validated in a way that preserves privacy? Then there's no evidence linking the adult to the crime.

"No evidence" doesn't make it not a crime. Most people wouldn't do crime even if no one found out.

And once that adult committed a crime anyone involved can report it, including that minor friend. It's blackmail material. Better not fall out!

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