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Revolt: Open-Source Alternative to Discord

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Re: Revolt: Open-Source Alternative to Discord

#441

So you have the chance to redesign Discord and you decide to stick with the unicorn-puking emoji-littered eye-scorching UX/UI garbage that Discord is? Interesting.

I don't have an issue with the UX, but the design of the user interface seems to have been copied almost pixel-for-pixel.

I wish this project a lot of success but also that it ends up devloping its own identity.

Re: Revolt: Open-Source Alternative to Discord

#442

Doesn't anyone else miss the old days of forums like PHPBB and VBulletin for collaboration? They had everything I needed, and nothing I didn't. Easily searched by Google. Actual pagination instead of stupid endless scrolling. All the new forums are going to Discord (synchronous) or Discourse (asynchronous) which I find to be much less useful.

I am thinking about that time and hosting a forum myself all the time. But there are a few issues connected with it: (1) If I hosted one, I could only do it invite only, because I don't want to be responsible or held responsible, if some shithead posts illegal stuff on it. (2) So it is back to friends only. But my friends do not show motivation or interest in being very active initially in such a media. I would have to artificially create topics and discussions around them and ask them to comment or so. It feels like it would require a lot of initial investment to get something that sustains itself by having active people and good info on it to be worth it for people to interact through it.

Re: Revolt: Open-Source Alternative to Discord

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post #352

Pushing what used to occur on web forums into Discord chats has been a net loss for the Internet.

This is why when we wanted to build a community around our product we went for Discourse instead of Discord (even though many people asked us for Discord instead). It certainly feels a lot less "lively" than a Discord server, but that's not necessarily a bad thing.

Ironically internally we still use Discord for comms.

All about the right tool for the right job.

Re: Revolt: Open-Source Alternative to Discord

#445

I think I'm using every chat platform that has wide adaption in tech circles. The one trend I'm seeing is that most of us just use the platform random communities insist on us using, we don't use them out of preference. And those communities choose the platforms because of the support they're getting from companies like discord and the amount of work needed to moderate and administer the community under the platform.…

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Re: Revolt: Open-Source Alternative to Discord

#446

Doesn't anyone else miss the old days of forums like PHPBB and VBulletin for collaboration? They had everything I needed, and nothing I didn't. Easily searched by Google. Actual pagination instead of stupid endless scrolling. All the new forums are going to Discord (synchronous) or Discourse (asynchronous) which I find to be much less useful.

I do terribly. However you needed SysAdmin skills to administrate a *nix box. System skills to run the forum and webserver configuration. And money to pay for the webhost/vps/cloud minus any malicious actions such as DDoS or bandwidth stealing. All three are sparse now and not forgetting the laws of the country. UK has become a pain to host anything community oriented.

There is cheap managed hosting for forums. I use one such for my BBS.

Re: Revolt: Open-Source Alternative to Discord

#447

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I thought the main value of discord was quick and solid voice / game stream integration. I rarely feel any connection between servers, but that might just be me.

It was a little bit of everything, really. Discord exploded in popularity because: 1. Its free functionality was more generous than many comparable services. Nobody wants to pay for a Mumble server. 2. Its UI and audio quality and noise cancellation settings put much of the competition to shame. 3. Only needing one account for every Discord server in existance gave it the same kind of appeal that let Reddit/Facebook…

The UI is awful, Discord volume isn't exposed, no option to do it, either, so you have to adjust game audio or individual user audio. They put the whole kitchen sink in, for some reason, too, there's a text chat in the voice rooms that needs to be user-revealed for some reason, instead of being exposed by default. Most of it is unintuitive at first use.

Then there's the many contraindications e.g. privacy policy, walled garden, and the dog shit internal indexing and the fact that it isn't externally indexed, there's a lot of pertinent information on there from skilled individuals that could serve society a la the BBS era that will never be surfaced again because it's now being posted to Discord, though that's tangential. I hate it, but it's easy enough to use, though negligibly dofferent compared to Skype, which had many of the same issues.

I think the biggest attractor for my friends was being able to idle in a server so it was easy to start a party vs starting a call on Skype which requires a little more arrangement. Lower cost less friction.

I don't remember marketing, though.

Re: Revolt: Open-Source Alternative to Discord

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There's also the shady components of discord. All manner of illegal activity thrives behind custom access control. The most notable instance in media is the leaking of classified materials, the creation of swatting/ddos communities which gave us the 'BigBalls' hacker employed by doge, But more sickeneningly recently it allowed this doctor to successfully target countless children, including convincing a 13 year old g…

I don't think Discord has anymore shady activities than any other large scale social media platform. When I helped moderate a very large server, we had access to Discord Trust and Safety team and they were trying against what is a massive flood. Automated moderation is extremely difficult even with all AI tools unless you 100% block any NSFW content and sexual messaging and even then, you will get false positives. I…

> I do find it interesting that we hold these platforms liable but not the phone/pager/mail service.

Phone and mail networks in letter and spirit obey the law: they don't listen to people's private conversations and they give up complete user info on request by law enforcement. There is nothing more they can do.

Discord has built the capability to read every message, public or private, that any user sends. So they are ethically obligated to stop bad things happening on their platform. Whatsapp/Signal have built their platforms so they can't read user private messages, so they have no ethical obligations to stop bad things happening on their platform, beyond banning users in response to legal orders.

Re: Revolt: Open-Source Alternative to Discord

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Lol, the design of discord is identical to about 9000 chat apps no?

There really is no other app in this space on the same quality as Discord. Discord was born out of Skype, Teamspeak and similar being so awful to use. Discord took the complaints from these and made a product which was the best version of them all.

'Awful' seems awfully subjective there. Can Skype even reasonably be grouped with Teamspeak? If all you want to do is quickly chat with a group, is Discord not actually far more annoying, all else equal?

Windows isn't beating out Linux in the desktop space because Linux is awful. Network effects are much more significant.

Re: Revolt: Open-Source Alternative to Discord

#450

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Forum posts were indexed by search engines - doesn’t that alone provide a minimum level of discoverability?

Based on how search engines behave to day, not really. These days, you'll have to fight spammy forums who game SEO, reddit, stackoverflow, ML digested output,etc.. it is discoverable as in technically it is somewhere in the results, but people never see it. If google paid discord like they pay reddit and searched discord servers that allow for that, that might be a nice compromise.

Also, ancient forums without https seem to be excluded by Google more often than not. I know they have their rules to push TLS but I still want results regardless.
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