U.S. pauses all military aid to Ukraine • Hacker News Board

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Post by anonfordays » Tue, Mar 04, 2025, 4:27 PM UTC

hulitu wrote: post #330

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There is absolutely no requirement that the US has to get involved in every regional conflict in the world. Let the Ukrainians and Russians deal with their mess. There are plenty of other regional conflicts we ignore.

> There is absolutely no requirement that the US has to get involved in every regional conflict in the world It is not a requirement, it's the implementation. There is a good reason why the USA was called "world policeman".

>There is a good reason why the USA was called "world policeman".

And Europeans and leftist shit talked the US for it for decades. They called for the US to close military bases around the world, shit talked the amount the US spends on defense, etc.

Now that the US is packing up and going home, the same people are screaming for the US to stay and continue being the exact thing they shit talked the US for. What a spectacle.

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Post by FirmwareBurner » Tue, Mar 04, 2025, 4:27 PM UTC

kgwxd wrote: post #382

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #283

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Thank you. This is what people with privilege don't get. There are concentric circles of giving a fuck: first in the center is yourself, then your family, then your friends, then your community, then your city, then your country, then other countries on the planet. It's impossible to get people to care about the outermost circle when their inner circles are not satisfied, so they won't be happy to see their elected o…

Then why did they vote against themselves, family, friends, community, city, country, and other countries? Uneducated people make uneducated votes. Privileged people get it, they just want you to be more educated, but you keep voting against that too.

Regular blue collar working class people from less developed areas don't want to be lectured by privileged big-city people that they're uneducated and only they know better than them what the correct candidate to vote for is.

That patronizing attitude you showed is exactly the one the Democrats had and is exactly what got Trump elected. Until their attitude changes they will keep losing votes out of sheer spite.

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Post by lfmunoz4 » Tue, Mar 04, 2025, 4:28 PM UTC

belter wrote: post #354

Richard Nixon on Soviet Union “We must be ever watchful when dealing with regimes whose actions have often betrayed their promises.” Ronald Reagan “I call the Soviet Union an evil empire.” George H. W. Bush on Russia “The history of deception and coercion reminds us that trust is never given lightly—it must be earned and continuously verified.” George W. Bush “We call on Moscow to immediately cease its aggressive act…

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Post by wtcactus » Tue, Mar 04, 2025, 4:28 PM UTC

lfmunoz4 wrote: post #435

wtcactus wrote: post #391

It’s appalling to see so many comments here defending what’s going on. I’m trying to take it in good faith and accept these people actually think this instead of being paid to spread Russian disinformation. So, for those that are in good faith, as an European, I’ll explain mine (and my close circle) position: It’s true that the USA doesn’t have any obligation of helping Ukraine and should be up to us, Europeans, to s…

Do you remember what happened when Russia tried to install missiles in Cuba? The USA put its foot down and was willing to have a nuclear war. Same thing is happening in Russia, making Ukraine part of NATO is just too close. Why is it so hard for people to understand this?

Do you remember that started because Russia already invaded part of Ukraine in 2014?

Do you remember Russia’s promises when Ukraine voluntarily ceded their nuclear arsenal to Russia?

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Mar 04, 2025, 4:29 PM UTC

HPMOR wrote: post #403

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Also you can donate directly for the kamikaze drones here: https://www.sternenkofund.org/donate They are extremely effective in countering russian troops. One drone costs as little as 500$

I know this is __so___ off topic, but the $ goes in front of the value for USD. It should be $500. Again, again, I know read the room, there's a tragic war going on, and the US is becoming complicit in the tragedy. But if we don't have time to be pedantic about monetary symbols then what good is the freedom we still possess.

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Post by lern_too_spel » Tue, Mar 04, 2025, 4:30 PM UTC

rayiner wrote: post #253

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Like most Asians and most Muslims, I have been opposed to the “rules based international order” my entire adult life. American proxy wars have caused tremendous damage around the world. And I’m incredibly proud we finally have an American President who realizes they don’t serve American interests either. This is not a new sentiment and it caused by Russian social media propaganda: https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,…

American proxy wars propping up illegitimate governments that rule without the consent of the governed have caused problems. The US is supporting a legitimate government against an invading dictatorship. The broad brush you paint with would have had the US not support the allies with weapons in WW2 all the way through 1941.

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Post by throwaway48476 » Tue, Mar 04, 2025, 4:32 PM UTC

foldr wrote: post #410

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I’ve seen that interview, but I’m surprised anyone watching it following the fall of the Berlin Wall and Glasnost would find it remotely credible. Soviet attempts to turn Americans and Western Europeans into Marxist-Leninnists who supported Communism were abject failures. The “brainwashing” went overwhelmingly in the other direction: citizens of Communist countries ended up wanting, by and large, to adopt the Western…

Western countries were full of communists before the liberal-tankie split. After ww2 the communists almost won the elections in Italy. It wasn't until the communists started pasting protesters with tanks that it became no longer socially acceptable to be a communist.

After the failure of world revolution only the subversion program remained. This was widely successful and is still ongoing.

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Post by prennert » Tue, Mar 04, 2025, 4:34 PM UTC

actionfromafar wrote: post #298

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Tarriff other countries and then establish a free trade agreement with Russia to boost their economy. One wonders if they will make American packaging for their products, or just sell the Russian labeled products straight on US shelves.

What products? Caviar and crude?

minerals

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Post by justin66 » Tue, Mar 04, 2025, 4:35 PM UTC

roxolotl wrote: post #218

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Yeah, man. I have emigrated from Russia to EU five years ago and it is heartbreaking to see the developed US and some European countries go through the same bullshit we were going since 2011. Like half the country starts living in wild, completely imaginary world, and you can always tell what is the current agenda of the propaganda machine just by talking to some relatives who fell through that rabbit hole

I agree it’s a huge disgrace and half of the US is living in a fantasy land. However polls show that Americans don’t like Putin. A poll two weeks ago[0] actually showed 81% of Americans do not trust Putin. Finding 81% agreement about anything is hard. This is something that is unique to the administration and those who deeply agree with what it’s done. Not that it matters… clearly people don’t care enough to vote for…

That poll in isolation means nothing. A person who "does not trust Putin" but nevertheless subscribes to Russian propaganda is still doing his work.

I see plenty of people in social media (enough to be convinced that they aren't all bots) who appear to believe that continuing to support Ukraine with aid would bankrupt the US, would be equivalent in effect to fighting Iraq or Vietnam again, would lead to WW III, and so on and so forth. The conspiracy theories about Ukraine's leadership are elaborate as well. I imagine almost all these people would tell you they don't like Putin.

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Post by throwaway48476 » Tue, Mar 04, 2025, 4:37 PM UTC

wewxjfq wrote: post #439

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While they may feign success to their supervisors you need to look at the tangible results. They got germany to shut down their nuclear power plants and got the civil rights act passed. That's not ineffective.

If you think Chernobyl was orchestrated by the KGB, then yes. Sadly, I knew right away were this was heading. Ironically, Russia is more involved in pushing this false narrative than they were ever involved in the anti-nuclear power movement. And it only works by twisting facts. The Soviet Union tried to bolster the anti-nuclear arms movement, emphasize on arms, to stop the Americans from stationing nuclear weapons i…

Chernobyl was a result of cost cutting and incompetence. KGB just tried to cover it up.

Why would Russia push the 'false narrative' that they supported the anti nuclear power movement? They benefit enormously from replacing nuclear with their gas.

Nuclear disarmament is some miru mir thing.