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Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare is blocking Pale Moon and other non-mainstream browsers

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It’s more like a VPN instead of Tor

Actually, it’s closer to Tor, but hardcoded to two hops, and hop 1 and 2 are always different (audited) organizations. I wish they’d just used Tor though.

There's no way they'd use Tor, because it has major UX problems.

Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare is blocking Pale Moon and other non-mainstream browsers

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Why would 2FA cause lose sales? One would imagine it’s because people are being auto charged for shit they don’t want but haven’t noticed or forgot to cancel.

Because it just doesn't work with shocking frequency. Maybe 10% of the time I make a purchase online, it shows me a screen where it says it's waiting for my bank to verify, I'll have to input a code or accept a notification or something. A solid half the time it fails. Either the site decides the transaction was rejected before I even get a chance to respond (within seconds), or I just don't get any notification or c…

idk here in India, we have 2FA for everything. I would say it very rarely fails, speaking from personal experience.

Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare is blocking Pale Moon and other non-mainstream browsers

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I can find you literally hundreds of posts from people insisting that ADA is nothing but a small-business-killing shakedown, that it's makework for lawyers, that it's doing nothing to help the disabled, and that it's just as bad if not worse than DEI. What makes your claim better than theirs?

I call your bluff. Do it.

Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare is blocking Pale Moon and other non-mainstream browsers

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Yesterday I was attempting to buy a product on a small retailer's website—as soon as I hit the "add to cart" button I got a message from Cloudflare: "Sorry, you have been blocked". My only recourse was to message the owner of the domain asking them to unblock me. Of course, I didn't, and decided to buy the product elsewhere. I wasn't doing anything suspicious.. using Arc on a M1 MBP; normal browsing habits. Not sure…

> I would be pretty upset if I implemented Cloudflare and it started to inadvertently hurt my sales figures. The problem is that all these Cloudflare forensics-based throttling and blocking efforts don't hurt sales figures. The number of legitimate users running Arc is a rounding error. Arc browser users often come to Cloudflare without third-party tracking and without cookies, which is weird and therefore suspicious…

The number of legitimate users on "not chrome, edge, safari, or firefox" is about 10% of the browser market. I don't know about you, but if I'm running a shop, and the whole point of my website is to make sales, but my front door is preventing 10% of those sales? That door is getting replaced.

Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare is blocking Pale Moon and other non-mainstream browsers

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I wonder if cloudflare blocks like these affect screen reader users, in which case they may violate the ADA.

And if they did violate the ADA, do you seriously expect this administration's anti-DEI Department of Justice to pursue legal action?

Yes because accessibility and DEI are different despite partisans' attempts to make "DEIA" a real thing.

Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare is blocking Pale Moon and other non-mainstream browsers

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For additional context it might be wise to include links that can't be edited by the author or webmaster.. While I didn't include links looking BinOC up on the IA isn't difficult to do and I am sure if you want to read the posts of events AS they happened you can look up the other thread. This cited version is the revised version. Moonchild has revised his version of events multiple times in the nine months after. Pf…

Honestly, I couldn't care less. It's one man shouting against another, it's pointless to try finding facts out of that. But as a simple Pale Moon user, I can say you caused a big enough disruption to the project that even a user who doesn't really pay attention also noticed. Now you're here again sidetracking the subject at hand with past dramallamas and seemingly getting your pantaloons moist at having stories besid…

You started this shit by bringing up the past dude. If this story is gonna rise to a broader appeal it would be fuckin bullshit for it to die because oh it's just Pale Moon and/or SeaMonkey.

Cloudflare staff have a real hateboner for non-mainstream browsers and tell yourself what you like but I still actually care about the well being of this unmitigated disaster we call the Internet and the "Open Web".. Not to mention the lives and well being of users and contributors out there in the world..

Go be small minded on the Pale Moon forum, I'm busy.

Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare is blocking Pale Moon and other non-mainstream browsers

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They do not support major browsers. They support "major browsers in default configuration without any extensions" (which is of course ridiculous proposition), forcing people to either abandon any privacy/security preserving measures they use, or to abandon the websites covered by CF. I use uptodate Firefox, and was blocked from using company gitlab for months on end simply because I disabled some useless new web API…

Although I sometimes have problems with Cloudflare, it does not seem to affect GitHub nor Gitlab for me, although they have other problems, which I have been able to work around. Some things that I had found helpful when working with Gitlab is to add ".patch" on the end of commit URLs, and changing "blob" to "raw" in file URLs. (This works on GitHub as well.) It is also possible to use API, and sometimes the data can…

I think this is the same issue as is being discussed here: https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab/-/issues/421396

It sometimes blocks me on fairly major browsers, such as google chrome ( but on an older Ubuntu ).

Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare is blocking Pale Moon and other non-mainstream browsers

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Cloudflare is discriminatory. They, and their fanbois, will likely claim that they can't publicly discuss their criteria for who they block, so some mysterious magic is going on in the background, and we're supposed to just trust them because they're big.

That in mind, I'd love even the most fawning of the fanbois to come up with rationalization for why for a very common browser (Safari on modern macOS), most links through Cloudflare work, but trying to get past the are-you-human checkbox on Cloudflare's abuse reporting page doesn't work half the time.

Obviously that shouldn't be on an abuse reporting page at all, but Cloudflare has been making abuse reporting extremely difficult for years. Adding rate limiting (a human can easily hit it) and prove-you're-human verification on their abuse page just unambiguously proves this.

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