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Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Post by kllrnohj »

dagmx wrote: post #48
yakaccount4 wrote: post #36

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3 Generated frames sounds like a lot of lag, probably a sickening amount for many games. The magic of "blackwell flip metering" isn't quite described yet.

It’s 3 extrapolated frames not interpolated. So would be reduced lag at the expense of greater pop-in. There’s also the new reflex 2 which uses reprojection based on mouse motion to generate frames that should also help, but likely has the same drawback.

Digital Foundry just covered this. 3x and 4x both add additional latency on top of 2x.

https://youtu.be/xpzufsxtZpA?si=hZZlX-g_nueAd7-Q

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jandrese wrote: post #434
dabinat wrote: post #380

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This is the #1 reason why I haven’t upgraded my 2080 Ti. Using my laser printer while my computer is on (even if it’s idle) already makes my UPS freak out. But NVIDIA is claiming that the 5070 is equivalent to the 4090, so maybe they’re expecting you to wait a generation and get the lower card if you care about TDP? Although I suspect that equivalence only applies to gaming; probably for ML you’d still need the highe…

The big grain of salt with that "the 5070 performs like a 4090" is that it is talking about having the card fake in 3 extra frames for each one it properly generates. In terms of actual performance boost a 5070 is about 10% faster than a 4070.

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Post by p1esk »

jandrese wrote: post #434
dabinat wrote: post #380

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This is the #1 reason why I haven’t upgraded my 2080 Ti. Using my laser printer while my computer is on (even if it’s idle) already makes my UPS freak out. But NVIDIA is claiming that the 5070 is equivalent to the 4090, so maybe they’re expecting you to wait a generation and get the lower card if you care about TDP? Although I suspect that equivalence only applies to gaming; probably for ML you’d still need the highe…

The big grain of salt with that "the 5070 performs like a 4090" is that it is talking about having the card fake in 3 extra frames for each one it properly generates. In terms of actual performance boost a 5070 is about 10% faster than a 4070.

Source for your 10% number?

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Post by grujicd »

Reason077 wrote: post #404
dabinat wrote: post #380

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This is the #1 reason why I haven’t upgraded my 2080 Ti. Using my laser printer while my computer is on (even if it’s idle) already makes my UPS freak out. But NVIDIA is claiming that the 5070 is equivalent to the 4090, so maybe they’re expecting you to wait a generation and get the lower card if you care about TDP? Although I suspect that equivalence only applies to gaming; probably for ML you’d still need the highe…

Does a laser printer need to be connected to a UPS?

Faulty iron in another room fried my LaserJet. UPS isn't just for loss of power, it should also protect from power spikes. Btw. printer was connected to a (cheap) surge protector strip which didn't help. On positive side nothing else was fried and laser was fixed for 40 euros.

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Post by terhechte »

memhole wrote: post #401
terhechte wrote: post #179

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If you have 128gb ram, try running MoE models, they're a far better fit for Apple's hardware because they trade memory for inference performance. using something like Wizard2 8x22b requires a huge amount of memory to host the 176b model, but only one 22b slice has to be active at a time so you get the token speed of a 22b model.

I haven’t had great luck with the wizard as a counter point. The token generation is unbearably slow. I might have been using too large of a context window, though. It’s an interesting model for sure. I remember the output being decent. I think it’s already surpassed by other models like Qwen.

Long context windows are a problem. I gave Qwen 2.5 70b a ~115k context and it took ~20min for the answer to finish. The upside of MoE models vs 70b+ models is that they have much more world knowledge.

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Post by officeplant »

dolni wrote: post #317
officeplant wrote: post #251

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>Gamers not being able to find an affordable option is still a problem. Used to think about this often because I had a side hobby of building and selling computers for friends and coworkers that wanted to get into gaming, but otherwise had no use for a powerful computer. For the longest time I could still put together $800-$1000 PC's that could blow consoles away and provide great value for the money. Now days I almo…

One edge that PCs have is massive catalog. Consoles have historically not done so well with backwards compatibility (at most one generation). I don't do much console gaming but _I think_ that is changing. There is also something to be said about catalog portability via something like a Steam Deck.

Cheaper options like the Steam Deck are definitely a boon to the industry. Especially the idea of "good enough" gaming at lower resolutions on smaller screens.

Personally, I just don't like that its attached to steam. Which is why I can be hesitant to suggest consoles as well now that they have soft killed their physical game options. Unless you go out of your way to get the add-on drive for PS5, etc

Its been nice to see backwards compatibility coming back in modern consoles to some extent with Xbox especially if you have a Series-X with the disc drive.

I killed my steam account with 300+ games just because I didn't see a future where steam would actually let me own the games. Repurchased everything I could on GoG and gave up on games locked to Windows/Mac AppStores, Epic, and Steam. So I'm not exactly fond of hardware attached to that platform, but that doesn't stop someone from just loading it up with games from a service like GoG and running them thru steam or Heroic Launcher.

2024 took some massive leaps forward with getting a proton-like experience without steam and that gives me a lot of hope for future progress on Linux gaming.

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Post by 0xffff2 »

Insanity wrote: post #263

Somewhat related, any recommendations for 'pc builders' where you can configure a PC with the hardware you want, but have it assembled and shipped to you instead of having to build it yourself? With shipping to Canada ideally. I'm planning to upgrade (prob to a mid-end) as my 5 year old computer is starting to show it's age, and with the new GPUs releasing this might be a good time.

I don't know of any such service, but I'm curious what the value is for you? IMO picking the parts is a lot harder than putting them together.

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Post by t-writescode »

wruza wrote: post #151
jsheard wrote: post #4

32GB of GDDR7 at 1.8TB/sec for $2000, best of luck to the gamers trying to buy one of those while AI people are buying them by the truckload. Presumably the pro hardware based on the same silicon will have 64GB, they usually double whatever the gaming cards have.

Why do you need one of those as a gamer? 1080ti was 120+ fps in heavy realistic looking games. 20xx RT slashed that back to 15 fps, but is RT really necessary to play games? Who cares about real-world reflections? And reviews showed that RT+DLSS introduced so many artefacts sometimes that the realism argument seemed absurd. Any modern card under $1000 is more than enough for graphics in virtually all games. The gamin…

> Who cares about real-world reflections?

Me. I do. I *love* raytracing; and, as has been said and seen for several of the newest AAA games, raytracing is no longer optional for the newest games. It's required, now. Those 1080s, wonderful as long as they have been (and they have been truly great cards) are definitely in need of an upgrade now.

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Post by oynqr »

yourusername wrote: post #277
nfriedly wrote: post #250

Meh. Feels like astronomical prices for the smallest upgrades they could get away with. I miss when high-end GPUs were $300-400, and you could get something reasonable for $100-200. I guess that's just integrated graphics these days. The most I've ever spent on a GPU is ~$300, and I don't really see that changing anytime soon, so it'll be a long time before I'll even consider one of these cards.

>I miss when high-end GPUs were $300-400, and you could get something reasonable for $100-200. That time is 25 years ago though, i think the Geforce DDR is the last high end card to fit this price bracket. While cards have gotten a lot more expensive those $300 high end cards should be around $600 now. And $200-400 for low end still exists.

2008 is 25 years ago?

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Post by t-writescode »

williamDafoe wrote: post #402
bowsamic wrote: post #162

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> is RT really necessary to play games? Who cares about real-world reflections? I barely play video games but I definitely do

1. Because you shoot at puddles? 2. Because you play at night after a rainstorm? Really, these are the only 2 situations where ray tracing makes much of a difference. We already have simulated shadowing in many games and it works pretty well, actually.

Yes, actually. A lot of games use water, a lot, in their scenes (70% of the planet is covered in it, after all), and that does improve immersion and feels nice to look at.

Silent Hill 2 Remake and Black Myth: Wukong both have a meaningful amount of water in them and are improved visually with raytracing for those exact reasons.

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