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Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by adverbly »

ciconia wrote: post #379

Is it just me or is the quality of politicians on a downward spiral? Between retirement-age out-of-touch boomers, clueless good-looking male liberals and corrupt authoritarian plutocrats, it sure feels like there's a shortage of honest hard-working people in leadership positions. I mean it is kinda obvious that the system in western democracies is structurally flawed such that there's a selection bias for crooks and…

Not just you. And to answer your question, I don't think it's politicians but the entire way that society disagrees and discusses important topics.

I've been working on a side project over the holidays related to this, but nothing to share yet unfortunately. Suffice to say, I would love it if we could frame discussions around specific policy issues, and focus on listening to one another and prioritizing and agreeing on problems as a first step before jumping straight into political rhetoric and speaking only to one's own base or those who already agree with you.

Also somewhat related - the history of decline of political discourse is staggering. Apparently in the US, Abraham Lincoln used to debate by having 90 minutes of uninterrupted complex analysis. This has been replaced by modern debate formats like those popularized by the Jubilee YouTube channel which optimize for 10 second clips.

Interestingly, there is a counter movement where long-form interviews are becoming popular again among niche crowds who actually want to hear and discuss issues. Joe Rogan, Jordan Peterson, Lex Friedman, Sam Harris, Destiny to name a few. I don't think we've seen the end of the changes for these discussion mediums. Hopefully we'll see changes for the better!

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Post by bryanlarsen »

3vidence wrote: post #431
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #183

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1% below Stephen Harper, which is bad, but not unprecedented bad. I think if the liberals can delay the election until October, their results won't be so bad, especially if Trump keeps saying dumb things down in America (as he is prone to do), making alignment with the conservatives less popular (they will still win, just not the huge landslide that they can take now).

The approval rating seems like an unhelpful metric here if the actual resulting election is such a landslide. Also I think there is a bit of a different here between Harpers Conservatives and Tredeaus Liberals. In 2015 people were actually really excited and hopeful about Justin Trudeau (sounds weird to say but it is true). He was voted in "positively" based on legalizing cannabis & election reform. 2025 is a very di…

> they will win in a land slide is that people HATE Trudeau in a way I haven't seen in my life.

Harper was widely hated.

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Post by WorkerBee28474 »

joshdavham wrote: post #313
grecy wrote: post #111

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What makes you think that? They don’t seem very similar to me aside from sharing the broad label of ‘conservative’.

Because Liberals pretend that anyone they don't like is a mini-Trump to try to scare people into voting Liberal.

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Post by bryanlarsen »

Matthias247 wrote: post #432
bryanlarsen wrote: post #231

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It's instructive to compare Vancouver to Toronto. 10 years ago in BC health care was in worse shape and housing was ~2X the cost of Toronto. In the past 10 years BC has had an NDP government and Ontario a Conservative one. Both housing & health care have gotten worse in BC, but at a much lower rate than in Ontario. Today health care in BC is in much better shape than Ontario, and the cost of housing in Vancouver is a…

Are there any numbers/data for the quality of healthcare in the provinces over time? At least for housing I see the average home prices in each category (condos, townhomes, detached) still higher in Vancouver than Toronto (when googling a bit, I found https://wowa.ca/reports/canada-housing-market with some data. But there's probably lots of real estate related sites with more).

> Are there any numbers/data for the quality of healthcare in the provinces over time?

Good question. Let me know if you find some. My assertion is anecdotal, I have FOAF doctors who have moved to BC.

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Post by busterarm »

DwnVoteHoneyPot wrote: post #413
0xbadc0de5 wrote: post #115

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For the commenters that think this is hyperbole, here is my counter argument: Inflation is a generational issue because prices have gone up and has made all Canadians poorer and this won't be undone until we have deflation (via a recession? more pain) or until wages increase faster than inflation does. What are the chances we have deflation? Not likely when our Canadian Dollar is being devalued and Bank of Canada con…

> All foreign investment has dried up.

This can't be emphasized enough. Canada has the highest household debt in the G7. There are no viable customers.

The only hope that you really have is something you're already doing -- mass immigration -- with all of the tradeoffs that come with it. Canada has to make a _fundamental_ change to get out of its current situation.

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Post by dang »

Cumpiler69 wrote: post #161
grecy wrote: post #158

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Would you please stop posting in the flamewar style to HN? Your account unfortunately has been doing this repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.

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Post by busterarm »

stainablesteel wrote: post #304
Tiktaalik wrote: post #285

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lol this incredible hyperbole begs for explanation. The two main fumbles I can see of note are on housing and immigration. On immigration the government only made remarkable changes in the last two years, and as if they touched a hot stove, they already realized their mistake and have already scaled back immigration numbers so much that Canada will effectively have nil immigration for the near future. Not likely a ge…

canada got to the point that they can't turn off the immigration faucet, they need it for their economy to survive, but people have come to hate it so much that they can't maintain it, they're in for a collapse because of it

Non-immigrant Canadians will have to change their living expectations and use housing more effectively (density). Or perish.

When I was university-aged, all of my asian and indian international student friends were living like 11-14 people to an apartment.

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Post by throw0101d »

VancouverMan wrote: post #392
bryanlarsen wrote: post #170

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> minorly-inconvenienced 120dB train horns at 2AM in the morning in a residential area is not a minor inconvenience.

> a residential area Have you ever actually been to downtown Ottawa, where those protests were held? It's not "a residential area" in any sense. The moderately-wide Ottawa River forms the north-west edge of the downtown area. Along it are the Alexandra Bridge, Major's Hill Park, the Rideau Canal, Parliament Hill, the Supreme Court, Library and Archives Canada, and other government-related buildings and infrastructure…

> Have you ever actually been to downtown Ottawa, where those protests were held?

> It's not "a residential area" in any sense.

World-renowned pianist Angela Hewitt would disagree:

* https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/angela-hewitt-play...

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angela_Hewitt

Her living room, with her piano, is in the area.

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