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Re: Who killed the rave?

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The author doesn't even seem to know what a rave is, most likely they aren't in decline at all. They're talking about formal, permanent dance clubs shutting down for economic reasons. Raves are mostly an underground - often illegal or questionably legal - impromptu one off event, organized through word of mouth and social media on an invite only basis. There is almost no way to get statistics on them because they are…

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Re: Who killed the rave?

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For sure, I think this does however line up with even younger folks who aren't going to generic clubs for a late night. They would just start earlier, bars/etc. and then end earlier. The full night bangers are definitely still very viable (and as crowded as you would like them) in NYC

I live in NYC as well, and I find the post COVID Berlin-esque Bushwick only scene to be terrible. It's filled with the most dull repetitive music that AI can replicate with a god awful sound system and no atmospherics whatsoever, and while I do appreciate the lack of dress code / door policy / bouncer aggressiveness, it feels like a brutal slog to endure without drugs, and a miserable long ass train ride on the L tra…

That all predates COVID... circa 2017 you could catch me in some Ridgewood DIY with no atmospherics most weekends. My favorite nights are the ones where the only light is the exit sign and it's me and 15 other people dancing all night in an uncrowded dance floor until the sun comes up.

Different strokes!

Re: Who killed the rave?

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It's shocking how often the answer to "How come X changed?" is either the creation of the internet or the cost of real estate. Surprisingly often, it's both.

More like "How come the younger generations aren't doing ?" Because they can't afford it. Also my belief is that people don't do anything anymore because nobody gets really bored anymore. Boredom is a powerful motivator to make plans, set up clubs, find interests, meet people etc. Now you just swipe through instagram for a few minutes and boom, no more boredom.

Boredom might’ve been underrated all along.

Re: Who killed the rave?

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Probably a bunch of factors... Tier 1 city RE prices have made live entertainment venues harder to run profitably. GenZ studies have found a lower participation in "risky behavior" which late night clubbing may or not be considered. Mobile internet & smartphones seem to be killing all forms of live in person interaction. And finally electronic music of various forms used to be a niche, and now it's mainstream. In the…

> In the 90s/00s my consumption of electronic music was mp3 downloads of BBC late night recordings. 'This. is. Radio. One. Essential... Essential...'

chills

Re: Who killed the rave?

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I realized that it's impossible to find clubs that serve alcohol till morning. The laws are more strict nowadays. Most of the raves I attend now are on indigenous lands, it's definitely not mainstream, and I can party till morning.

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Re: Who killed the rave?

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What? That's kind of creepy. Raves are and always have been about dancing. The creeps walking around looking for hookups are just that, a bunch of weird creeps that annoy people trying to dance. Edit: To clarify, it's creepy becaucse a lot of people are on something and pretty vulnerable, they're there to dance and enjoy the music and now some creep is trying to get in their pants while they're rolling and drunk

At same time this is pretty disingenuous calling people creeps. Yes you don't go to raves to look for hookups but at same time its social occasion and you can meet many people (in all kinds of states). And stuff wears off. So many people end up with new contacts if not straight up going with someone home. You know MDMA and sex match pretty well...

Don't find romantic partners at work, that's against company policy and you will get fired.

Don't find romantic partners at raves, that's creepy, people are there to dance.

Don't find romantic partners at night clubs, that's creepy, people are there to dance.

Don't find romantic partners at public places, that's creepy, people don't want to be bothered in public.

Don't find romantic partners among friends, now you're ruining all the friendships.

Do stay locked up inside and try to find romantic partners between advertisements, by swiping on a screen three thousand times. That's more efficient and won't risk you wasting any productive time that you in fact owe to the government, to shareholders and to pensioners. It's actually quite outrageous that some young people are trying to escape their productivity duties and even risk forming long term relationships and having children, which is literally taking food out of the mouths of the elderly. They need your tax dollar, stop wasting time!

Re: Who killed the rave?

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Probably a bunch of factors... Tier 1 city RE prices have made live entertainment venues harder to run profitably. GenZ studies have found a lower participation in "risky behavior" which late night clubbing may or not be considered. Mobile internet & smartphones seem to be killing all forms of live in person interaction. And finally electronic music of various forms used to be a niche, and now it's mainstream. In the…

Late night raves might be in the decline but day raves are increasing in popularity.

I think the biggest factor for the decline of night raves is just that people are more health conscious and night raves takes a lot of toll on the body.

Re: Who killed the rave?

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Maybe those who go to raves are more likely to go to clubs too, but it doesn't mean that a decrease in club attendance means a decease in rave attendance. It may simply mean that clubs are not the preferred destination for partygoers anymore. To support that, it looks like music festival attendance is going up over the years. Music festivals are, I think, closer to raves than they are to night clubs, which, by the sa…

> To support that, it looks like music festival attendance is going up over the years. This isn't global nor is it specific dance music but at least in the UK, festivals are struggling and have declined significantly since the beginning of covid - 204 festivals have disappeared since 2019: https://www.aiforg.com/blog-database/72-uk-festivals-cancell...

Covid definitely shook things up, but clubs didn't do well even before covid, while festivals were thriving. Now, it is a bit hard to tell as 2024 was just the second "normal" year, and it can take many years to grow a successful event.

It seems like now, we are indeed seeing less festivals, but the remaining ones are becoming bigger and more expensive. So, maybe less festivals but higher budgets.

Re: Who killed the rave?

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I mean, let's suppose I had a guarantee that I have the purest coke to ever exist, with no adulterants added, straight from the factory...it's still bad for me. I probably shouldn't be ingesting it regardless. I've been reducing my caffeine intake, and I don't drink alcohol. I don't even eat sweets anymore. I'm basically a square now; too old to do this stuff.

Don’t do coke. E on the other hand… Never too late to find out what a flood of serotonin feels like.

> > E on the other hand…

Yeah but don't take pressed pills, take M crystals as they are the pure form.

Re: Who killed the rave?

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That ignores that plenty of people are in cities because of the amenities that concentration allows. If you want niche/specialty restaurants, grocery options, entertainment, medical care etc. you will have to be in a large metropolitan area

That means you have to be in driving distance of a metro with several hundred thousand. That is very different than a Tier 1 city.

The opportunities you get in a city of 3million is different from 600k is different from 250k. I've lived in all of the above over my life. You can find niches in each. However the larger the city the more options. The smallest city had great Thai food - some family from Thailand moved there and opened a restaurant, but there was no Vietnamese, the next largest city has both, and the 3 million city more options than I was ever able to check out. (there are cities > 10 million around with even more options).
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