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uBlock Origin GPL code being stolen by team behind Honey browser extension

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Re: uBlock Origin GPL code being stolen by team behind Honey browser extension

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Your behavior in this thread is spammy and your perspective boils down to "everyone in the industry ratfucks creators, so the video is ragebait". Why do you feel compelled to defend clearly unethical behavior?

This is a forum run by a Silicon Valley VC firm, frequented by tech entrepreneurs. Ethical behavior is not high on their list of priorities.

I'm not sure they could even define ethical.

Re: uBlock Origin GPL code being stolen by team behind Honey browser extension

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Kamala offered a significantly more honest campaign, and would not have been openly corrupt. It's a giant chasm of difference between her and Trump. Just because she isn't perfect and wouldn't be all powerful doesn't mean both options were the same. Owners of platforms can be held accountable, especially if they're turning a blind eye. Disabling message history won't save Google or anyone else.

The US is rife with scams and has been for a long time, and the US has had the two party system for a long time. It would take a lot of convincing for me to believe that this time 4 more years of Democrat rule would have been when the they finally decide to actually do something about it.

It's all one big party and you're not in it. There is only one party and it's color is green.

Re: uBlock Origin GPL code being stolen by team behind Honey browser extension

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Legal Eagle is suing: https://youtu.be/4H4sScCB1cY?si=bXxfG_EekkzGEW7J

Between this and that botched FOIA request, it feels real good to have content creators out there actually looking out and fighting against this BS that every other content creator lacks the expertise to do anything about. I don't care if they do two ads per video (a normal ad and one for their firm), they more than deserve to shout themselves out.

What botched FOIA request?

Re: uBlock Origin GPL code being stolen by team behind Honey browser extension

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Between this and that botched FOIA request, it feels real good to have content creators out there actually looking out and fighting against this BS that every other content creator lacks the expertise to do anything about. I don't care if they do two ads per video (a normal ad and one for their firm), they more than deserve to shout themselves out.

What botched FOIA request?

Best to hear it from the source, since the I'm not comfortable trying to explain the legalities:

https://youtu.be/caVSUaB8S3o?si=aTyhH7fsB1W72g-O

But to attempt to summarize it, LegalEagle was trying to file a FOIA request for to DOJ and the FBI for rejecting their request to retrieve documents related to the January 6th riots. And they were rejected in one way that basically suggested that it wasn't read, and one claiming that there were not "part of the media" (which shouldn't matter since anyone can file a FOIA). There's a lot of stalling tactics being done and there's worries that the records could he expunged if too much time passed.

Re: uBlock Origin GPL code being stolen by team behind Honey browser extension

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Google removed chrome extensions that do cookie stuffing before: https://www.zdnet.com/article/google-removes-two-chrome-ad-b... PayPal's Honey extension should be pulled by Google for doing the exact same thing. There is no difference and Honey shouldn't get special treatment just because it's owned by PayPal. --- UPDATE: It's criminal wire fraud. Brian Dunning sentenced to 18 months jail for cookie stuffing: https:…

Are you a lawyer? Asking because "cookie stuffing" (which is indeed criminal) refers to the practice of setting a ton of referral cookies for the sites the browser had no intention of visiting, just for the case it will visit them some time in the future. In my understanding it does not refer to setting a cookie for the site the browser is currently on.

One doesn't need to be a lawyer to understand that big business always wins. Those guys weren't big business, but PayPal is.

Re: uBlock Origin GPL code being stolen by team behind Honey browser extension

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The more direct solution would be a law that required distributing human-editable code alongside software. No need for copyright or anything remotely similar. Code being copyrightable would just be getting in the way at that point. But in a world where that is politically infeasible, we have to use whatever tools we have at hand to get as close as we can. And, unfortunately, the tool we happen to have is the modern c…

It's also possible such a law (in the US) would violate the first amendment (being "compelled speech").

But nobody is compelling anyone to write and release software. It's no different to requiring food to include a list of ingredients or products to include safety standards references etc.

Re: uBlock Origin GPL code being stolen by team behind Honey browser extension

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> The fact that there are terms that you are required to agree and adhere to, OR live without the goods, that is not. Uh, no there aren't. The GPL's requirements only kick in when I try to redistribute : that's why the license is in a file called COPYING. It's not an EULA: you don't need to agree with it to use GPL'd software.

Not technically. GPLs requirements kick in the moment you make a copy for you own use, it's just that there aren't any requirements that apply under those conditions. But they'd have to take effect right away, otherwise you'd be illegally copying copyrighted software :). It is the GPL license that grants personal use without restriction.

You didn't make that copy, the person you got it from did.

I don't need to be granted permission to run a program on my own computer.

Re: uBlock Origin GPL code being stolen by team behind Honey browser extension

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Yeah, as I watched the video all I could think was "what the fuck did you think they were doing?". I'm surprised technical youtube channels were caught by it, although maybe they did the calculation that the money Honey was paying was worth more than the affiliate sales they'd lose. There's also value to getting that money immediately, rather than at some unknown point in the future. The only part that seemed uncouth…

> I'm surprised technical youtube channels were caught by it, although maybe they did the calculation that the money Honey was paying was worth more than the affiliate sales they'd lose. ... and helping to screw everyone else over in the process. That is what makes advertising for Honey so unethical.

From watching the original video sounds like that’s exactly what LinusMedia did. Which doesn’t surprise me, I’ve always been amazed by how many people like that channel.

Re: uBlock Origin GPL code being stolen by team behind Honey browser extension

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> It's definitely a special level of low to steal something that's already free stealing from the commons, basically.

No, absolutely not the commons. If you want a mental metaphor of what the vast body of GPL'ed code is, think of a very, very large multinational corporation. If you want to use their code, you have to join the company. Fortunately for you, all you have to do to join the company is to agree to use the same license for you own code as the company already does. If you agree to that, you are free to use any or all of the…

You want to use gpl code go right ahead. Want to modify it? No problem. Ignore the optional license. It isn’t a usage license.

I make changes to gpl code all the time. I never release the changes because my coding is far too embarrassing. Nobody forces me to release anything. I can and do compile it with gpl incompatible links, not a problem.

I just don’t distribute it.

Re: uBlock Origin GPL code being stolen by team behind Honey browser extension

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Is there a better option to Honey? The extension has saved me a good bit of money over the years, especially on newer and independent sites that sometimes offer deep discounts for your first order. But it does seem like the coupon codes come from the community and there should be a community version of the extension.

Honey actually hides the best deals from you at the site's request. You'd be better off finding the codes yourself.
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