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US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by wholinator2 »

shakna wrote: post #242
wiseowise wrote: post #237

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> But teaching people to ask critical questions risks How long will it take to do it on a meaningful scale, all while “free-thinkers” (read Chinese and Russian bots) beat the drum of “they’re brainwashing you”?

About five years, for Finland's critical thinking curriculum. (First results, to latest.) However, that requires an education system that can be easily updated, and widely rolled out, without being shotgunned by anyone who has already lost their critical thinking ability, who may be in a position in government.

Yeah, i'd imagine one cycle of high school oughtta get everyone through at least one class, with the new life experience to have actually used and explored it. Teach it in homeroom where you teach the other mostly bs but sometimes valuable things, make em do 2-3 weeks on it and for gods sake have the curriculum written by experts and NOT BY POLITICIANS. I can't think of anything worse than a "bipartisan effort to design curriculum though congressional committee"

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by t0bia_s »

xanderlewis wrote: post #427
t0bia_s wrote: post #416

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- they're banning stupid, memes/brainrot app Imagine same rhetoric by CCP adressing Facebook or YouTube.

You can imagine it. But they'd be wrong. Facebook and YouTube aren't directly controlled by an enemy government, and likely aren't intending as part of their raison d'être to sow discord and chaos in China.

So it's about ownership? Just a business? There is no issues with censorship or data harvesting?

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by Keyframe »

brookst wrote: post #146
gkanai wrote: post #100

Reciprocity is key. Google and Facebook and most Western web services are blocked in China. If that is the case, then there should be no complaint with blocking Bytedance/other Chinese apps in the West.

So… if China mistreats their citizens, reciprocity says we must mistreat ours? You don’t fight censorship with censorship. That doesn’t stand up to even the most cursory thought. You fight censorship with openness. As soon as you find yourself arguing that you have no choice but to engage in the same behaviors you claim to dislike, you have literally become the enemy.

censorship schmensorship. This is more banal than that. China bans US companies from doing business in China. This is quid pro quo. Chinese companies, of the same industry, are getting banned in US.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by pas »

ludston wrote: post #432
tester756 wrote: post #387

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Censorship... zzzZZZzz They're banning app/news delivery app managed by enemy government It is not like they're blocking internet, wikipedia they're banning stupid, memes/brainrot app

Thinks that China is an enemy government when the USA and China do 500 billion dollars worth of trade each year.

Ukraine and Russia also continues to trade gas.

Countries pay Gazprom and Ukraine charges Gazprom for transit.

Life is not black and white.

See also https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/manufacturing-is-a-war-now/

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by HKH2 »

tester756 wrote: post #387
brookst wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So… if China mistreats their citizens, reciprocity says we must mistreat ours? You don’t fight censorship with censorship. That doesn’t stand up to even the most cursory thought. You fight censorship with openness. As soon as you find yourself arguing that you have no choice but to engage in the same behaviors you claim to dislike, you have literally become the enemy.

Censorship... zzzZZZzz They're banning app/news delivery app managed by enemy government It is not like they're blocking internet, wikipedia they're banning stupid, memes/brainrot app

Chinese Tiktok is forcibly wholesome (by Chinese standards). They do not believe in absolute freedom of speech. Now Americans have just conceded that they don't believe in it either. It's good that we're all on the same page now.

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Post by fidotron »

supriyo-biswas wrote: post #113
solaarphunk wrote: post #102

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They are blocked because they don’t censor content. If they did agree to, they would be allowed - just like Microsoft, Bing, Apple, and a handful of other digital products are not blocked in China. Edit: for those downvoting me, Google literally shut down their China operations because they were unwilling to comply with censorship requirements. Conversely, Google and other US companies seem completely willing to comp…

"Doesn't censor content" is probably not describing the situation correctly; while some companies like Google have typically resisted such in the aughts, they regularly take requests from other countries of this sort, and it'd be very simple for them to reenter the China market by having a stance similar to what they have for other countries. The issue here is probably caused by the requirement for an ICP recordal wh…

Try releasing a mobile news app in the US and see how it goes.

Even one that just scrapes Yahoo or something.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by flkenosad »

gkanai wrote: post #100

Reciprocity is key. Google and Facebook and most Western web services are blocked in China. If that is the case, then there should be no complaint with blocking Bytedance/other Chinese apps in the West.

Man you're cutting off communication for 300 million people. These governments can shove it, they have no business censoring this many families. The government shouldn't have the right to backdoor every piece of software in the country. We've officially lost our collective minds here. I thought you Americans loved freedom of speech. Especially Elon. Or I suppose that was only marketting for his world takeover scheme. Huh

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Post by 71bw »

latentcall wrote: post #153
disqard wrote: post #70

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I really don't understand why you are being downvoted. I'm baffled at folks wanting to overlook that a Chinese-controlled brainworm is even more dangerous than a US-operated brainworm. Yes, we should steer clear of all brainworms, but we should be exterminating the brainworms run by adversaries ASAP.

Who’s the adversary? China? China is not my adversary even if the United States government thinks so. I believe many Americans would agree with that. To me it seems China made a superior app that the American youth wanted to use and the American social media apparatus was jealous so lobbied to have it banned.

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Post by wholinator2 »

soheil wrote: post #124
supernetworks_ wrote: post #42

Americans can’t invest directly in Chinese companies and shouldn’t be obligated to host Chinese companies in their markets or be surprised when political whims ban them, since the lack of shared investment is political too. People clearly enjoy the content on there so the outcome is sad but it’s a complicated economic dynamic that is hard to grasp

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Listen, if they actually ban it, a copycat within the us will pop up, and the network will move there. I actually think it might be beneficial to change apps every now and then, it helps break the network effects that make apps "too big to fail".

All that will likely change is people will slowly move to a US alternative, one that's propagandized by the US and not china. You'll still be allowed to have whatever discussions you want on there, conservative qanon theories, or anarchist calls to action. The videos will go into the NSA database instead of china's, it'll train our algorithms instead of theirs, etc. The app will now be bound by US Law, for better or for worse. But if slow moving from an app is going to crush your political belief/circle/movement, you didn't have one to begin with.

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Post by orf »

flkenosad wrote: post #447
gkanai wrote: post #100

Reciprocity is key. Google and Facebook and most Western web services are blocked in China. If that is the case, then there should be no complaint with blocking Bytedance/other Chinese apps in the West.

Man you're cutting off communication for 300 million people. These governments can shove it, they have no business censoring this many families. The government shouldn't have the right to backdoor every piece of software in the country. We've officially lost our collective minds here. I thought you Americans loved freedom of speech. Especially Elon. Or I suppose that was only marketting for his world takeover scheme.…

Search for the “paradox of tolerance”.

Nothing in this world is black and white.

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