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Post by kijin »

cassepipe wrote: post #435
cyberlimerence wrote: post #386

Yonhap (Korea state news) : The National Assembly voted Wednesday to demand President Yoon Suk Yeol lift emergency martial law. Under the Constitution, martial law must be lifted when a parliamentary majority demands it. Of the 300 members of parliament, 190 were present and all 190 voted in favor of a motion demanding the lifting of martial law. With the motion's passage, the martial law declaration is void, accordi…

Last time I checked, access to the national assembly palace was being blocked : https://bsky.app/profile/sung-il-kim.com/post/3lcfskluuwc26 Any idea how and why it was unblocked ? Anyone with more context ? EDIT: This is the first I cannot think of any reason for getting a downvote... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The police kept the protesters out, but eventually let in most members of the national assembly and their staff after checking their ID.

Martial law is about using the military to control civilian activities. The police are civilian. Their order is to maintain peace, not to interfere with people who have legitimate business at the facility. If Yoon really wanted to preempt the national assembly, he should have sent in the military earlier.

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #436
cyberlimerence wrote: post #386

Yonhap (Korea state news) : The National Assembly voted Wednesday to demand President Yoon Suk Yeol lift emergency martial law. Under the Constitution, martial law must be lifted when a parliamentary majority demands it. Of the 300 members of parliament, 190 were present and all 190 voted in favor of a motion demanding the lifting of martial law. With the motion's passage, the martial law declaration is void, accordi…

Despite the National Assembly's resolution to end martial law, the military stated that it would remain in effect until ended by the president >Martial law will remain until the president lifts martial law"...Armored vehicles also seen in the city center https://m.ytn.co.kr/news_view.php?s_mcd=0101&key=20241204013...

Which means that the president is ignoring the constitution. And so is the military.

Very much not good...

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Post by ncr100 »

flerchin wrote: post #38
intoamplitudes wrote: post #11

Transparent coup d'etat attempt rumored to happen for months. The only option when the mouse is cornered. Approval rating in the <10% range, Japan whispering in his ear and pulling the puppet strings, crazy selfish wife abusing state resources, it is almost comically predictable if not for how serious it is. North Korea is always the convenient excuse... only hope Westerners don't get fooled by the rhetoric. Guy digg…

I'm seeing his approval rating at 25% or so. https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/nation/2024/12/356_387448.h...

Awaiting the jump to 105% approval. ;-/

I wonder what the level of journalistic independences is in KR. What their public discourse is like. How truth, and opinions are tolerated.

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Post by SauciestGNU »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #374
tootie wrote: post #358

Earlier quoted context omitted.

CNN is reporting that parliament has successfully overturned martial law.

> CNN is reporting that parliament has successfully overturned martial law National Assembly has voted to lift martial law. Yoon (and the army) would still have to recognise it.

Assume the coup fails. How does South Korea purge its military of coup participants without significantly reducing its readiness for conflict with a resurgent north Korea?

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Post by cogman10 »

soraminazuki wrote: post #420
cyberlimerence wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From Yonhap (Korea state news): "Activities related to National Assembly, political parties banned: martial law commander." [1] "Entry, exit from National Assembly blocked after declaration of martial law." [2] [1] https://en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20241203013900315 [2] https://en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20241203013200315

Is that even legal? Because if it is, that means the president can prevent martial law from ever being lifted. The whole constitution would be pointless.

What does legal matter if the guys holding the guns don't care about the law?

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Post by ANewFormation »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #410
ANewFormation wrote: post #397

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Assad had majority approval prior to the war [1] (can't find any more recent adversarial polls, which may be telling) and his family has been in power for decades. The comparison is inappropriate. It's more akin to saying that states adversarial to the US won after the CIA overthrew a popular secular democracy in Iran, and installed a extremely unpopular puppet monarchy that was obseqious to the US. In general mainta…

> Assad had majority approval prior to the war (can't find any more recent adversarial polls, which may be telling) and his family has been in power for decades "Some 55% of Syrians want Assad to stay, motivated by fear of civil war" is not 55% approval rating, it's 55% making the pragmatic choice against civil war. > maintaining power without relatively widespread support is quite difficult Strange claim in a thread…

So protestors, and other politicians, rejected his claim of martial law - it's now over, and he will likely be arrested.

Seems there yet remains more to power than titles and declarations.

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Post by johnfernow »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #374
tootie wrote: post #358

Earlier quoted context omitted.

CNN is reporting that parliament has successfully overturned martial law.

> CNN is reporting that parliament has successfully overturned martial law National Assembly has voted to lift martial law. Yoon (and the army) would still have to recognise it.

BBC reports "The South Korean military says it will maintain martial law until it is lifted by President Yoon Suk Yeol, despite the nation's parliament voting to block its enforcement, according to the country's national broadcaster." [1]

They previously wrote that "The National Assembly speaker has just said that South Korean troops are leaving the parliament building, the Yonhap news agency reports."

So I'm not sure if the military isn't unified in what to do, or if certain troops are just not enforcing the President's near certainly unconstitutional order. The Constitution gives the President many powers under martial law ("Under extraordinary martial law, special measures may be taken with respect to the necessity for warrants, freedom of speech, the press, assembly and association, or the powers of the Executive and the Judiciary as prescribed by law"), but it appears to give the President no powers over the National Assembly, so the "All political activities, including the activities of the National Assembly... are prohibited" part of his martial law declaration appears to be blatantly unconstitutional.

According to the constitution, "When the National Assembly requests the lifting of martial law with the concurrent vote of a majority of the total members of the National Assembly, the President shall comply." [2]

Some are saying the constitution doesn't give a timeframe for when the President has to comply, but if he doesn't soon, it definitely appears to be a self-coup. [3]

1. https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cn38321180et

2. https://www.constituteproject.org/constitution/Republic_of_K...

3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-coup

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Post by rightbyte »

hindsightbias wrote: post #363
wesselbindt wrote: post #127

The reason given is to root out pro-North Korean elements. How is red scare stuff still a thing?

This is country with compulsory military service, where young people patrol a very dangerous border where infiltrators operate, plant land-mines, etc. Shootings aren't uncommon. Had a coworker whose best friend got lost on night patrol. Another unit killed him when he didn't come up with the password of the day quick enough. The coworkers comment? "He screwed up."

That sounds unreasonable. Sentries that are that trigger happy don't understand that they are more or less sacrificial and will cause more harm then they can ever prevent.
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