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Am I the only one that is not excited about the next four years being constant banter of this nature? I loathe it. Nothing personal against your comment but the new administration hasn't even gone into office and I cannot get away from this.
Can you mention one thing that Trump or Musk ever did out of altruism?
I'd love to see some sort of multiple regression or ANOVA on this, instead of singling out a single variable. Is car brand really the best independent predictor? Or is it specific design decisions you tend to see in certain brands? (Like, say, maximizing driver distraction by consolidating a bunch of essential controls and information displays into a touchscreen display that's really difficult to operate when it's su…
I'm guessing that while the total accident rate declines with automation, that the serious accident rate is increasing, because a human driver drives in a risk adjusted way and takes less care to avoid minor accidents and more care to avoid serious accidents, but when a robot find itself unable to drive the errors are more evenly distributed or even more likely to result in a serious accident, because its doing things idiotically with no sense of self preservation.
Seems flawed. Tesla Model Y was the best selling model worldwide for 2023. (I think #3 if limited to US.) The study only covers 2017-2022, but we can infer that for the entire Brand, Teslas sold quite well over at least that latter part of that period. Now if there are more Teslas on the road vs other vehicles (note they excluded car model years earlier than 2017, another fatal (heh) flaw in the study), it makes sens…
If you had clicked through to the article before writing your comment, you would know that the stat being compared is "fatal crash rate per billion miles driven", and that the fatal crash rate for Teslas is 2.0x the national average
I am suggesting that per mile driven and per vehicle brand on the road are not the same thing. Now that I think about it, miles driven per brand would be an interesting data point.
Just as an example of why per-brand might be useful, let's imagine that teslas are driven half the miles of the average for all other brands. so if that were the case and if the number of fatalities were equal, then that would result in tesla having 2x the fatality rate per mile. but at the same time, this doesn't let us appreciate the amount of time tesla spends on the road vs other brands. so miles might be half but time spent might be closer to 1 (equal time). and maybe that is because teslas are concentrated in urban-suburban interface environments in high congestion areas, whereas other brands are spread out across the country where for the same amount of time spent, twice as many miles are covered and congestion is less.
Data like that is needed to properly evaluate this result. And while I asked for per-vehicle-on-the-road, and my example didn't match that, you can still see how the simple per-mile-driven is insufficient.
They also could have noted the demographics of the drivers -- male/female and years of driving experience, things like that.
So again, I find the implications of this article to be very unfair.
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The straight-line performance is exactly what makes it dangerous.
> A focused, alert driver I dislike how tesla kills situational awareness. It is the central touchscreen. The model 3 and y and cybertruck put everything there - both status and control. You have to look to the side to see the speed of the vehicle, and the gearshift is on the touchscreen. The S and X both retain a dashboard in front of you, but most of the controls moved to the touchscreen. And the removal of stalks…
By comparison, my older Prius has the speedometer at the base of the windshield super close to the road. It's simply better.
I haven't tried a heads-up display, though.
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I wonder if it’s because there’s more passengers per model Y on average than a two-door sports car! One fatal model Y accident might cause half a dozen gas fatalities, but a Porsche wrapped around a tree might kill just the lone driver.
Both the comment and TFA clearly indicate it's measured in terms of fatal accidents, not fatalities.
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I've had one since 2015 and so many issues. When I share them on Reddit I'm downvoted into oblivion for going against the cult It's gotten better in the last few years, now that millions of people share the issues, it's harder to drown them out Doesn't seem to matter whatsoever for their stock, so that doesn't seems to be too relevant
Some context for others - 2015 is fairly early in Tesla's history. The model 3 didn't even exist until 2017. The overwhelming majority of Teslas on the road today are Y's and 3's. FWIW, I've personally owned three Teslas with zero problems, but none older than 2019. YMMV.
I also have a 2017 and 2023. It's a little early to declare success if your oldest car is 5yo
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> A focused, alert driver I dislike how tesla kills situational awareness. It is the central touchscreen. The model 3 and y and cybertruck put everything there - both status and control. You have to look to the side to see the speed of the vehicle, and the gearshift is on the touchscreen. The S and X both retain a dashboard in front of you, but most of the controls moved to the touchscreen. And the removal of stalks…
I dislike how 99% of cars make you look down so far. Looking to the side as well isn't an issue, especially when my gaze is scanning my mirrors. By comparison, my older Prius has the speedometer at the base of the windshield super close to the road. It's simply better. I haven't tried a heads-up display, though.
In a big picture, this makes sense. You can load the cars with safety features, but it doesn't change the fact that these cars are very heavy, very fast, and loaded with features that reward distracted driving. In the US at least, the top killer of drivers are trees on the side of the road.
What makes sense to me is the top 3 cars: Tesla - autopilot that really isn't, gets fooled in many situations, driver lulled into not paying attention, can't react quickly enough when the computer bails, and ends up driving into a bridge abutment at 75mph. Kia - cheap cars built to minimum safety standards driven by young people who aren't very experienced drivers. Buick - cars driven by geriatrics whose declines in…
It takes until 85+ years old to match the accident frequency of the 16-25 years old cohort. Should we ban young adults from driving?
The reality is that the drivers tests should be MUCH more stringent for all cohorts. The reality is also that not having a car in the US is a horrible handicap.
So, we are stuck in a very suboptimal spot until self-driving cars come online.
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I mean, even lacking proper scientific data, ask yourself how often your brain “autocompletes” someone based on a brand or object? There’s a reason advertisers spend so much money and effort cultivating a very specific customer image: it works . In the case of Tesla - and I cannot overstress enough how much lf this is purely subjective conjecture on my part and not a statement of fact - the image cultivated by the co…
You highlighted the correlation. I bet GoPro users have the highest fatality rate of all camera brands.