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Using an 8K TV as a Monitor

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Re: Using an 8K TV as a Monitor

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Post by blagie »

dllu wrote: post #174

Author here, ask me anything! Apart from programming, one of the motivations for getting the 8K display is to look at lidar point clouds. For example the desktop background in my post is a lidar map of Bernal Hill in San Francisco, which I've here downsampled to only 13006 x 7991 px for your convenience [1]. Admittedly, when I bought it at first, I didn't realize there would be so many random issues, as manufacturers…

Here's my central question:

In the early 4k era, whenever I saw a TV used as a monitor, the eye strain was high. It was too bright, too contrasty, and generally, the picture was not great for using for things like programming. In addition, many TVs would do not-so-great things to the picture, the worst being digitally sharpening the image (which resulted in e.g. a halo effect around small text).

This might not bother some people, but it bothers me a lot.

How are you finding the display compares to a real monitor? How do I buy TVs which I know won't do this sort of thing?

Re: Using an 8K TV as a Monitor

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Post by mkesper »

guenthert wrote: post #440
arkh wrote: post #407

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like there are not good quality hardware company nowadays. Dell: the land of motherboard dying and dog shit trackpads. Asus: dead soldered RAM. Most BIOS: too long to boot, it's fucking 2024 what is your BIOS doing it needs more than 2s to boot? It was taking the same time to boot 30 years ago. Every mouse: double click problem due to wrong use of the actuators. And every hardware company has to try to cram so…

Why does boot time matter? Is something wrong with the sleep mode in your laptop? > tho@phobos:/usr/local/src/sbcl$ uptime 11:31:50 up 250 days, 21:10, 1 user, load average: 0.60, 0.37, 0.40

I stupidly updated my firmware on my ThinkPad 14 running Linux and that removed the perfectly working S3 sleep and gave me a non-working ridiculous S0x instead.

Re: Using an 8K TV as a Monitor

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Post by nicman23 »

esafak wrote: post #362
lbrito wrote: post #194

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Do you have 20/20 eyesight, and how tall are you? I use glasses (myopia) and can kind of tolerate the edges of my 32" 4k monitor, but I can't fathom craning my neck all the way up to the edges of a 55"+ display. Not to mention font sizes.

You don't maximize windows except to watch videos at that size. It's more like having multiple monitors with fluid borders. You focus as needed, leaving the rest in your peripheral vision. That said I did miss maximizing windows to focus on tasks.

yeah key binds to move windows around is a must for me

Re: Using an 8K TV as a Monitor

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Post by arkh »

guenthert wrote: post #440
arkh wrote: post #407

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like there are not good quality hardware company nowadays. Dell: the land of motherboard dying and dog shit trackpads. Asus: dead soldered RAM. Most BIOS: too long to boot, it's fucking 2024 what is your BIOS doing it needs more than 2s to boot? It was taking the same time to boot 30 years ago. Every mouse: double click problem due to wrong use of the actuators. And every hardware company has to try to cram so…

Why does boot time matter? Is something wrong with the sleep mode in your laptop? > tho@phobos:/usr/local/src/sbcl$ uptime 11:31:50 up 250 days, 21:10, 1 user, load average: 0.60, 0.37, 0.40

> your laptop

I kinda like my desktops.

Re: Using an 8K TV as a Monitor

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Post by rswail »

ForHackernews wrote: post #15

> Having seven evenly-spaced columns would be impossible on a dual 4K display setup due to bezels in the middle. I know I'm getting into old man yells at cloud territory here, but nobody needs this. Code on a 1024×600 netbook display, it will build character.

Luxury! We started on 110 baud ASR-33 teletypes and paper tape. Moved to DECwriters and VT-52/VT-100.

Where do you think those vi commands come from?

ed(1)

/old man yells at cloud

Re: Using an 8K TV as a Monitor

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Post by skeeter2020 »

armada651 wrote: post #421
kev009 wrote: post #273

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I had the Dell 8k monitor you mentioned, the picture quality was great but it died after a few years not long after the warranty expired (a gut punch at the purchase price) and they said too bad so sad... ok that's fine but I will never buy another Dell product again. It was released too early to have proper displayport support and I had to use a custom nvidia-driver X11 config to make it mostly work as two monitors.…

That's surprising given that Dell usually offers very good warranty on their monitors, at least to consumers. Was this a bussiness (B2B) purchase perhaps?

not my experience, but maybe for some. The big problem is the quality has gone way down hill in the past 10+ years, and the warranty periods are ridiculously small. TVs and monitors are all built (and warrantied) now like they should be replaced every 3-5 years.

Re: Using an 8K TV as a Monitor

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Post by rho4 »

Reposting my experience from my comment on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcmonitors/comments/163yjj8/c...

I have been using a 55" 8K QE55QN700BT ($1400) at home since Jan. 2023 and a 55" 8K QE55QN700C ($1100 on sale) at the office since August 2023.

I can tell you that I will never go back, but there is definitely room for improvement.

Biggest negative: Sitting close (~12"), the far areas are probably at >45° angle (and TV colors are not great at angles)

Eye strain is ok (lowest brightness & low contrast), but neck strain is a thing (which I never had before, but now I think my neck muscles start to be trained and it's getting better).

Price is amazing, compared to 4x 4K

Refresh rate 60Hz: not for ego shooters (but great for work)

I didn't think it was possible, but at work I operate an 8k, 4k, and a full HD screen from the same graphics card (i need the other screens for UI testing)

Glossy is not great (no matte TVs on the market)

Even at 12", I operate Windows at 175% scaling, so I still have pixels to spare. Next TV will be 65" :)

At the beginning I thought it was a failure, until I found the correct settings combination: TV Gaming Mode, disable all AI image gimmicks, set the correct refresh rate in the NVidia driver options (at first everything was extremely sluggish, until by chance I saw that the refresh rate was set to 30Hz by default). I also remember playing with the V-Sync settings until finally I didn't see visual pixel artifacts anymore. Now the quality is the same as my 4k monitor.

Work colleagues just can't see it... (just like they laughed at the 2nd monitor, and then at the 3rd, and now most use 3 monitors).

No hassle with monitor arms. Such set it on the table and done.

Microsoft PowerToys FancyZones is amazing to divide the screen into areas

Next: TCL unveiled the first curved 8k 65" TV, that's where I'm going :)

Re: Using an 8K TV as a Monitor

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Post by markhahn »

gosub100 wrote: post #161

I'm embarking on a similar geek journey. Just today I bought a used radiology PACS display (barco mdcc-6430) just to see if there is anything novel or cool about the picture or any clinical features. I'm not expecting much but stuff like this is how you find out. This display is color, however I have considered getting a grayscale only rads display for "ADHD purposes" i.e. the same reason people are interested in e-i…

No, I miss monochrome displays too. Yes, sure, color can provide some benefit in syntax highlighting, but that's a pretty weak argument.

I wonder if there's an interesting reseach opportunity: how complex does a syntax need to be before highlighting is beneficial - and is it ever really? I don't think highlighting ever helps me understand code or even more quickly grasp it - it's mainly just a way to cue a syntax problem.

Re: Using an 8K TV as a Monitor

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Post by wasmitnetzen »

jkells wrote: post #419
emsign wrote: post #417

Be aware that TVs make screenshots every few milliseconds and send them away for advertising analytics. I wouldn't use them as a monitor while connecting them to the internet.

Source?

https://www.heise.de/en/news/Modern-data-leeches-Smart-TVs-e...
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