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Re: New iMac with M4

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I could never justify getting an iMac. All the downsides of a laptop & desktop in one; not upgradeable and not portable. Leaves me wondering how many of these Apple actually sell. A Mac Mini with a separate screen feels like it makes far more sense.

I think iMacs end up where someone wants a computer to look nice (either personally or professionally). You could have these in a none tech environment and they will look good.

Re: New iMac with M4

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The Studio Display is priced as if it's an iMac. It's insane that we've had retina displays for over a decade, and Apple still seems to be more-or-less the only game in town for a 5k 27" display.

At one point there were about six manufacturers (though I think it was all various grades of the same panel). They just didn’t sell.

It's clearly a niche segment...

On one hand, companies willing to spend more than $250 on monitors will rather give you a 32" ultra-wide, because that's more useful to the typical office monkey worker.

On the other, the PC enthusiast customer base is almost synonymous to gamers, who'd rather want high refresh rates than a silly 5K resolution they cannot use.

Re: New iMac with M4

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I see lots of people in this thread mentioning this, but am confused. I've never seen a lighting port on an Apple computer- only on iphones and ipads, and the cables that come with those are USB-C on the other end. Haven't all Apple computer accessories been USB-C for almost a decade now?

The past: https://support.apple.com/en-us/102292 > Recharge the built-in battery in your Apple keyboard, mouse, or trackpad [...] To charge your device's battery, connect a Lightning to USB cable to its Lightning port, The future: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2024/10/apple-introduces-new-... > Every iMac comes with a color-matched Magic Keyboard and Magic Mouse or optional Magic Trackpad, all of which now feature a…

Thanks! That seems like a minor issue because in both cases you still use usb-c on the computer end. However it will certainly be nice to not need to have 3 different kinds of cables, and have everything just take usb-c at some point. Although I'll bet they'll have a new usb connector right about the time the usb-a and lightning devices finally start to disappear.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Yes, that is annoying. There’s also such a massive price difference between 4K and 5K monitors. I’ve decided just to accept 4K everywhere because it’s so much cheaper. But I would consider getting a 5K iMac.

> Yes, that is annoying. There’s also such a massive price difference between 4K and 5K monitors. Perhaps check out the Asus PA27JCV: 27" at 5120x2880.

The unfortunate part is that these aren't for sale yet and we don't know how they actually compare to the existing LG 5k or Apple Studio display. It is nice to see more options coming to market.

Re: New iMac with M4

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It's almost becoming a bother of how accurate the rumors are becoming now a days. With this release they were spot on with the 16gb min ram and no change in screen size.

I am not building LLMs on my computer (I wish :)) but I do use my iMac for both work and photography. Lightroom slugs big time on my 2019 iMac. My dream spec for the next iMac would be:

- bring back the 27" form factor

- dumb down use as monitor. My work computer has disabled file & screen sharing so current methods dont work. I just want to plug my work macbook using a cable or wireless and use the imac as a display.

Re: New iMac with M4

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The Studio Display is priced as if it's an iMac. It's insane that we've had retina displays for over a decade, and Apple still seems to be more-or-less the only game in town for a 5k 27" display.

I will never purchase the Studio Display on principle. It's an idiot product.

If you wanted a similarly spec'd display for a Mac, what would you get instead? (what is the non-idiot alternative?)

Re: New iMac with M4

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Since this thread seems to be about niche asks for pro users, despite the product being targeted towards casual users who want an easy out of the box experience, I'll add my own to the mix.

I'd love a bigger/better screen on these, specifically an ultrawide variety. An iMac Pro with an 8k ultrawide would be a near-instant purchase for me. I find the ultrawide form factor so good for productivity. I love the apple "it just works" approach to their hardware, so if something was fully integrated I'd jump on it immediately.

Today I use a 49" CRG9, but the input and connection setup is somewhat finicky. Not a huge blocker, but it would be lovely to be able to simplify.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Great. But plenty of consumers disagree with you, which is why this product exists. Not everything you see is designed to be useful for you specifically

> plenty of consumers disagree with you What do you mean? This was just announced, no? Are there any sales/pre-order figures already? Also, how would you even go about analyzing the counterfactual of whether the number of people who would buy this spec are "plenty" compared to the number who would have bought a spec with more RAM had it been available?

Well by virtue of the fact that they've sold these un-repairable/ un-openable macs for 3 years now, and they're refreshing it instead of killing the product - all these things indicate consumers like the current approach

Re: New iMac with M4

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It's worse: Any file you open results in phoning home, Intelligence or not, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25074959

That’s overstating what happened there and what was sent. OCSP validation happened only for signed executables and the only bit of information is the hash of the developer certificate being verified, which was not logged in conjunction with your IP. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/11/mac-certificate-chec... Typically when there are concerns about phoning home it’s both more detailed information and something bei…

There are a lot of good explanations in my link why the current setup is outrageous, including the danger of deanonymization of Tor users by Apple.
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