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Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by throwawaymanbot »

kovezd wrote: post #434
boodleboodle wrote: post #416

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The more I think about it, the more I am convinced developers will be the "first to go" when AGI takes over. Before bloggers and youtubers. Because programming is an activity that requires the least amount of "grounding to reality" among all human activities. We made sure of this with layers and layers of convenient abstraction. What about developers that code the AI systems? Well.. I am sure AGI will come from other…

That thinking is driven by limited product imagination. The kind of apps that will be built in the next 5 years,are nowhere near what we have today. Developers will need to update their skillset, though.

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Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by frankdenbow »

epolanski wrote: post #407

Small ot, but it's quite interesting that the highest decisive impact generative AI is having right now is on tech workers and software developers in particular. I'm more and more convinced that we're on the edge of a major shake up in the industry with all these tools. Not getting replaced, but at this rate of improvements I can't unsee major changes. A recent junior I have in my team built his first app entirely wi…

I envision lots of solo coders now able to compete with bigger companies, creating more niche software that meets peoples need better than generic solutions. Truly exciting time to be in software.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by kylecazar »

choilive wrote: post #435
dboreham wrote: post #430

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Sticking to my prediction that lawyers will be first.

Lawyers have a tricky thing called a license to practice law. Software developers have no such protection.

Robots are already successfully performing surgeries unassisted, despite a license being required in that field.

I do think barred lawyers will have a role for quite a while, but it is plausible it shrinks to oversight.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by iwishiknewlisp »

noworriesnate wrote: post #225
moonmagick wrote: post #203

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Statistically, this form of abuse is extremely common. Something like 2-5% of women who have a sibling are sexually abused by them. Sam would have also been a child at this time. My experience of this world, especially SF startup scene, is that most people are mentally ill in some way and some people are just better at hiding it. We can both accept that Sam's sister is a bit ill, this probably did happen, and we prob…

What harsh punishment are we talking about here? Let's be specific: we should collectively call for him to step down from his role in OpenAI. That is not harsh. OpenAI is extremely influential on our society, and he is probably not a well balanced person.

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Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by vlunkr »

dboreham wrote: post #430
boodleboodle wrote: post #416

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The more I think about it, the more I am convinced developers will be the "first to go" when AGI takes over. Before bloggers and youtubers. Because programming is an activity that requires the least amount of "grounding to reality" among all human activities. We made sure of this with layers and layers of convenient abstraction. What about developers that code the AI systems? Well.. I am sure AGI will come from other…

Sticking to my prediction that lawyers will be first.

There’s a company being fined for exactly this right now. That might be a deterrent.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by frankdenbow »

dboreham wrote: post #430
boodleboodle wrote: post #416

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The more I think about it, the more I am convinced developers will be the "first to go" when AGI takes over. Before bloggers and youtubers. Because programming is an activity that requires the least amount of "grounding to reality" among all human activities. We made sure of this with layers and layers of convenient abstraction. What about developers that code the AI systems? Well.. I am sure AGI will come from other…

Sticking to my prediction that lawyers will be first.

Agree with that, the startup lawyer I used to use now charges $1,100 / hour which is untenable, would much rather get the basics covered by an AI lawyer.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by NomDePlum »

epolanski wrote: post #407

Small ot, but it's quite interesting that the highest decisive impact generative AI is having right now is on tech workers and software developers in particular. I'm more and more convinced that we're on the edge of a major shake up in the industry with all these tools. Not getting replaced, but at this rate of improvements I can't unsee major changes. A recent junior I have in my team built his first app entirely wi…

I'm sure that's true but I've also seen non-developers build systems using Access or solve complex critical business problems using excel and similar. I've seen a lot of junior developers tinker with apps and do great work from reading docs and tutorials. I was one of those myself a long time ago.

For some problems this is a perfect solution. For a lot it's a short term fix that turns into a long term issue. I've been on many a project that's had to undo these types of setups, for very valid reasons and usually at a very high cost. Often you find them in clusters, with virtually no one actually having a full understanding of what they actually do anymore.

Building the initial app is only a very small part of software engineering. Maintaining and supporting a service/business and helping them evolve is far harder, but essential.

My experience is that complexity builds very quickly to a point it's unsustainable if not managed well. I fear AI could well accelerate that process in a lot of situations if engineering knowledge and tradeoffs are assumed to included in what it provides.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by faitswulff »

epolanski wrote: post #407

Small ot, but it's quite interesting that the highest decisive impact generative AI is having right now is on tech workers and software developers in particular. I'm more and more convinced that we're on the edge of a major shake up in the industry with all these tools. Not getting replaced, but at this rate of improvements I can't unsee major changes. A recent junior I have in my team built his first app entirely wi…

I know a similar non-coding founder who was using LLMs to create a full fledged TypeScript based SaaS product and regularly comes to me with high level architecture questions, but also doesn't know or care to figure out what HTTP methods are, variable names are a mishmash of whatever case the LLM decided to generate that day, and there are no tests whatsoever. It's held together by sheer force of manual QA.

...but. It does work.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by starfezzy »

grbsh wrote: post #305
joshstrange wrote: post #216

The issue I continue to have with many AI coding tools is they want me to use their own editor ("native", aka VSCode fork, or in the browser like this). I have zero intention of moving away from IDEA and nothing I've seen so far is good enough to make me want to switch. I really with there was more of "bringing AI into your existing tools/workflows" instead of "here is a new tool with AI baked in".

I feel the exact same! I built this tool to make it much easier for me to bring LLMs into existing workflows: https://github.com/gr-b/repogather It helps find relevant content to copy to your clipboard (or just copies all files in the repo, with exclusions like gitignore attended to) so you can paste everything into Claude. With the large context sizes, I’ve found that I get way better answers / code edits by dumping…

I do something similar with a script. Don’t know if anything about my approach could improve yours, but I’m also curious if you have any suggestions?

- Mine prepends the result with the output of running `tree -I node_modules --noreport` before any other content. This informs the LLM of the structure of the project, which leads to other insights like it will know which frameworks and paradigms your project uses without you needing to explain that stuff. - Mine prepends the contents of each included file with “Contents of relative/path/to/file/from/root/of/project/filename.ts:” to reinforce the context and the file’s position in the tree.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by Kostchei »

faitswulff wrote: post #448
epolanski wrote: post #407

Small ot, but it's quite interesting that the highest decisive impact generative AI is having right now is on tech workers and software developers in particular. I'm more and more convinced that we're on the edge of a major shake up in the industry with all these tools. Not getting replaced, but at this rate of improvements I can't unsee major changes. A recent junior I have in my team built his first app entirely wi…

I know a similar non-coding founder who was using LLMs to create a full fledged TypeScript based SaaS product and regularly comes to me with high level architecture questions, but also doesn't know or care to figure out what HTTP methods are, variable names are a mishmash of whatever case the LLM decided to generate that day, and there are no tests whatsoever. It's held together by sheer force of manual QA. ...but. I…

This my technique- test the output, make sure it works (in the sense of outputs) the way I want. Test the input edge cases, move on. Occasionally when I can't get it to do what I want the llm suggests things like logging of output between functions etc- in which case they get added, but at the end I ask it to take out all the logging and make the code more concise.

And sometimes it breaks in ways I can't fix - so rolling back or picking a new patch from a know break point becomes important.

16 hours for my first azure pipeline, auto-updates from code to prod, static app including setting up git, vscode, node, azure creds etc. I chose a stack I have never seen at work (mostly see AWS) and I am not a coder. Last code was Pascal in the 1980s.

3rd app took 4 hours.

Built things I have wanted for 30 years.

But yes- no code understanding, brute force.

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