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Re: iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max

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Post by dangus »

iteratethis wrote: post #258

I'm conflicted. It's absolutely stunning what smartphones can do these days and Apple makes an excellent product. It feels ungrateful and cynical to keep calling new models "boring". The reality though is that normie needs were accomplished several generations ago. I'll use my girlfriend as a sample of such user. She can't tell the difference between LCD and OLED nor would she notice Pro-motion. You can add a million…

Yeah, okay, hardware releases are incremental now. We get it.

But someone somewhere has a 5 year old phone with a busted screen and a dead battery and it'll be nice for them to get this phone or another similar new, highly capable device. And they'd probably like to know that this 5-year-newer phone has a whole bunch of new capabilities when they spend a big chunk of money replacing a big purchase.

Sure, I don't want to buy a new car. They're expensive and they depreciate. I would like to just keep driving mine, it's fine. But when the time comes that I do buy a new car I do want to know that it has a whole bunch of new, better things than the one I am replacing.

Don't forget that Apple makes the perfect phone for your girlfriend: the iPhone SE. The flashy marketing videos are for high-value high-vanity customers who throw money at them. She could buy that type of low-mid-range phone at $400 and run it into the ground until she is forced to upgrade by hardware failure.

Re: iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max

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Post by fsflover »

MangoCoffee wrote: post #55
pistolpeteDK wrote: post #20

Interesting to see how they're marketing increasingly minor improvements as major breakthroughs. 16 Pro: Better camera, more zoom, dedicated camera button… isn’t that it? WiFi 7, faster ray tracing, USB-C/USB 3? Hard to imagine many people really need that. Have we witnessed peak Apple? Apple Watch: minimal updates. AirPods Max: new color. AirPods: some minor tweaks.

Smartphone has reached its peak. What's left to innovate? maybe Huawei's triple-fold phone(?)

> What's left to innovate?

How about running a normal OS without artificial restrictions, so that you could completely replace your laptop/desktop?

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Post by evulhotdog »

usaphp wrote: post #285

I love how ridiculous the scene to showcase Apple's Intelligence ability to tell you what bread the dog was. Instead of simply asking a women what breed her dog was - he had to open a camera app on his iPhone, ask a women a permission to take a photo of the dog, wait until the AI gives him an answer...

Agreed. Normally Apple finds genuine uses of their features they’re intending to market. The guy ended up talking to the person with the dog after, which made the use of the AI a bit of a miss.

It honestly felt like Apple didn’t do that scene because normally everything is well thought out.

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Post by gerash »

jmyeet wrote: post #405
iteratethis wrote: post #258

I'm conflicted. It's absolutely stunning what smartphones can do these days and Apple makes an excellent product. It feels ungrateful and cynical to keep calling new models "boring". The reality though is that normie needs were accomplished several generations ago. I'll use my girlfriend as a sample of such user. She can't tell the difference between LCD and OLED nor would she notice Pro-motion. You can add a million…

Apple is engaging in feature-bloat to protect the $1000 price point. That's all that's going on here. Phones (particularly iPhones0 have stubbornly resisted getting cheaper. That's by design. Features get added simply to make it more expensive. We saw this with the Macbooks about a decade ago. The Macbook Air was fantastic because it was cheap. For Apple it was too cheap. So we got Touch bar. Did it solve any user pr…

I haven't had a Mac with touch bar but I can see the point of the idea:

You have a keyboard and mouse as inputs to a Mac. why not a mini touch screen as well? but instead of rendering the app content there you render the controls. this way you don't need to remember shortcuts because common actions for an app are displayed there.

IMO the idea makes sense but needs further refinement in execution. maybe even better haptic feedback

Re: iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max

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Post by dangus »

tmaly wrote: post #380

I am not seeing a real benefit to upgrading. I wish I could just swap in a new battery myself once I have gone through enough charging cycles. I just upgraded to an iPhone 15 pro from an iPhone 13 pro a few months ago. Honestly, I felt like the iPhone 13 pro had better battery life. My friend confirmed the same thing between a regular iPhone 14 and iPhone 14 Pro. Not sure if it is software or hardware or both.

Why would you see the benefit to upgrading when you just upgraded to the previous model? That's an unreasonable expectation. That would be like complaining that the 2025 Toyota Camry isn't good enough to upgrade to from your 2024 model. Of course it's not!

I also really don't understand what the hangup is with the batteries.

You bought a $1000 phone, $99 to get a new battery is reasonable.

I get it, the cost should be $20 and it shoulde be an easy DIY job, but it seems like you're actively refusing the solution. You undoubtedly spent more to upgrade to the 15 Pro than to replace the battery in your 13 Pro.

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Post by foobarian »

runjake wrote: post #382
iteratethis wrote: post #258

I'm conflicted. It's absolutely stunning what smartphones can do these days and Apple makes an excellent product. It feels ungrateful and cynical to keep calling new models "boring". The reality though is that normie needs were accomplished several generations ago. I'll use my girlfriend as a sample of such user. She can't tell the difference between LCD and OLED nor would she notice Pro-motion. You can add a million…

> Most people don't buy the pro Historically, that was true, but more recently, most people do buy the Pro. I don't know why (actually I do: FOMO and monthly payment plans). https://www.techradar.com/phones/iphone/iphone-15-sales-figu... iPhone 15 Pro Max: 23% iPhone 15 Pro: 22% iPhone 15: 14% iPhone 15 Plus: 9%

I don’t know if you’re old or not or what your eyesight is like but even the pro max is getting hard to read for me :-)

Re: iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max

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Post by jdthedisciple »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #275
paxys wrote: post #269

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> All the spectacular advances in computing power are lost on her as this makes zero difference for the Facebook cat video group and Pinterest. Gonna disagree with this one. Tell me, does using an iPhone today feel significantly faster than the top model 2-3 years ago or even 10 years ago? Does the battery last a lot longer than it did back then? Apple certainly claims this is the case in their marketing every year.…

> does using an iPhone today feel significantly faster than one from 2-3 years ago? Yes. Absolutely. We just forget that opening an app--or restarting the device, or recovering from airplane mode--was an action that incurred a noticeable delay once and does not tend to anymore.

Completely wrong. As an iPhone 12 User there is 0 perceived difference to iPhone 15 in day to day usage performance.

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Post by echoangle »

minimaxir wrote: post #51

The Pro variant is unusually poorly differentiated from the base model this cycle: https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/ The 13 Pro had ProMotion, 14 Pro had Dynamic Island and Always On display, the 15 Pro had USB-C and the Action Button, the 16 Pro...has maybe slightly faster AI? 4k120fps video? USB-C w/ USB 3? Not things most people would care about. ProMotion/Always On is still limited to the Pro models which is…

The 15 non-Pro also had USB C, the main differences were action button and camera

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Post by jwells89 »

paxys wrote: post #269
iteratethis wrote: post #258

I'm conflicted. It's absolutely stunning what smartphones can do these days and Apple makes an excellent product. It feels ungrateful and cynical to keep calling new models "boring". The reality though is that normie needs were accomplished several generations ago. I'll use my girlfriend as a sample of such user. She can't tell the difference between LCD and OLED nor would she notice Pro-motion. You can add a million…

> All the spectacular advances in computing power are lost on her as this makes zero difference for the Facebook cat video group and Pinterest. Gonna disagree with this one. Tell me, does using an iPhone today feel significantly faster than the top model 2-3 years ago or even 10 years ago? Does the battery last a lot longer than it did back then? Apple certainly claims this is the case in their marketing every year.…

I've noticed overall improvements in responsiveness as well as the number of apps that can stay in memory without some getting evicted, though the latter is most noticeable when using smaller indie sorts of apps (think Ivory for Mastodon, Narwhal for Reddit, etc) which are on average built more efficiently and aren't dragging around a metric ton of tracking garbage.

Re: iPhone 16 Pro and iPhone 16 Pro Max

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Post by dghlsakjg »

user3939382 wrote: post #350
arcticbull wrote: post #274

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If the iPhone would have true user-swappable batteries, their business would collapse. Battery replacement costs at Apple are $69-99 and offered all the way back to the iPhone SE 1st Generation. That's the all-in cost where you bring it in, they open it up, swap it out, and give your phone back to you. An OEM battery for an Android phone is like $50. Budgeting $69-99 once every 3-4 years hardly seems like it's goin…

Assuming those prices are correct and the procedure is that convenient, it doesn't practically exist if most people aren't aware of it. From my casual observations most people suffer with bad batteries until buying a new model.

What more can they do to let people know?

You can google it, go to the website, go to any of their stores or authorized dealers, or click the link the phone gives you in the battery health view.

Short of apple beating down your door, what more do you expect

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