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Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by glzone1 »

tim333 wrote: post #228
treprinum wrote: post #207

Didn't YouTube get popular on pirated content first? What was the main difference of the initial phase of YouTube and MegaUpload? They both went legal later.

I think youtube cooperated with taking pirated content down while Kim was a bit like screw you, I'm offshore, you can't get me.

More than that. They gave the media basically a tool to identify music that they owned, then either remove it or take all the money from it.

I don't think Kim ever paid content creators. Youtube is pushing probably $5 - $10 billion a year to them in cash plus serves as a promo / branding / ad vehicle (all the sponsored content or product placement stuff in music videos).

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Post by stalfosknight »

stainablesteel wrote: post #118
preaching5271 wrote: post #24

I appreciate Kim Dotcom for running MegaUpload and later Mega, in a time when the internet was younger and wilder. Also for his pirate spirit and "stick it to the man" attitude. But everything has a limit, specifically his resistance against the law, even if he hid it behind virtues. I think it's clear for everybody that one cannot get away with this kind of stuff, once governments get involved. Isn't it wiser to sto…

not really, his website was based on hong kong, this is a fight against america playing world police, which i'm on board with they have no business going after just a single man so fervently, he's a foreign national and the websites weren't based in the US

If not the US, then who do you suggest could plausibly lead (I would even say prop up) the free world and the global economy?

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Post by halyconWays »

Taniwha wrote: post #23
ionwake wrote: post #18

Anyone know why this is prioritised? Wasn't this copyright stuff from like 2 decades ago? Just genuinely curious.

He fought it all the way and ran out of options, we have a more right leaning government now who want to suck up to the US

>ran out of options

He'd have one more option to fight tyranny, if your government didn't disarm the populace.

Imagine being yanked out of your home country by a foreign power and their corporate overlords with the prospect of living the rest of your life in third-world prison conditions, for the crime of allegedly reducing their balance sheets from $550B per year to $545B per year.

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Post by elfbargpt »

ionwake wrote: post #18

Anyone know why this is prioritised? Wasn't this copyright stuff from like 2 decades ago? Just genuinely curious.

He's a popular voice of dissent on Twitter and someone must be cracking down right now. Scott Ritter is another--he had his passport seized recently and his house raided by the FBI a week ago.

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Post by pb7 »

jajko wrote: post #431
epolanski wrote: post #386

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think your point stands. How would US citizens would feel if another country, say China, wanted to extradite a US citizen because he allegedly violated Chinese copyright law? Dotcom is absolutely right in saying that US is playing world police.

Countries extradite criminals all the time for crimes done here or there or anywhere, its just that US stands above literally everybody else, or at least wants to, so its not an equal situation and never was. This is underlined by other US excesses, ie [1] or the fact that US prisons are have many citizens of other states, but there are very few US citizens detained elsewhere (in democratic systems, not used for some…

>the fact that US prisons are have many citizens of other states, but there are very few US citizens detained elsewhere

Americans commit exceedingly little crime internationally. Even in ultra-low crime countries, US citizens rank below native citizens per capita. That is probably why.

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Post by skeeter2020 »

znpy wrote: post #428
xnyan wrote: post #393

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my social groups at the time(late highschool, early college) it was exclusively used for watching TV shows. The 10min limit was only a minor annoyance, and more than made up for the fact that it was free fast video hosting at time when that was extremely rare. It was not just a nerd thing either, I remember someone I was dating in the mid 2000s bemoaning that YouTube had cracked down on TV content.

As a former megavideo user… i watched many American tv shows I wouldn’t have watched otherwise. And i wouldn’t have paid anyway because at the time as a teenager i had no money of my own to spend. Nowadays even when paying for content, it really feels like extortion, it’s unfair anyway (prices constantly increasing, and you still get ads even if you’re paying… might as well go back to pirating stuff)

you're moving the goalposts from "I didn't have money" to "I have money but it's not worth it".

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Post by [deleted] »

throwaway290 wrote: post #424
epolanski wrote: post #386

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think your point stands. How would US citizens would feel if another country, say China, wanted to extradite a US citizen because he allegedly violated Chinese copyright law? Dotcom is absolutely right in saying that US is playing world police.

> How would US citizens would feel if another country, say China, wanted to extradite a US citizen Probably how Swedish citizens felt when China 'extradited' Gui Minhai. At least in US you have due process? See also https://safeguarddefenders.com/en/blog/230000-policing-expan... . > US is playing world police NZ and US have a bunch of shared laws, trade and extradition agreements and stuff. It's not like US dropped i…

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Post by quacksilver »

epolanski wrote: post #386
sandworm101 wrote: post #379

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> this is a fight against america playing world police That is how Dotcom wants it characterized. Everyone else sees a fly-by-night website run by an eccentric millionaire making money by playing fast and loose with the law. It is one thing to be an outlaw subverting oppression by distributing free bread to poor people. It is another to be a bootlegger selling vodka under the table and then throwing huge invite-only…

I don't think your point stands. How would US citizens would feel if another country, say China, wanted to extradite a US citizen because he allegedly violated Chinese copyright law? Dotcom is absolutely right in saying that US is playing world police.

The US usually seem to decline stuff, while the UK will extradite people rapidly to the US.

Relatively recent, though involved diplomatic immunity too: https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/23/politics/us-declines-uk-extra...

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