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Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by coldtea »

cletus wrote: post #168

Here's Apple's big problem: it's not a replacement for so many alternatives because it isn't supported on all platforms. Safari? Not on Windows. Apple Music? This actually has a Windows client. I'm not sure how good it is. But Spotify supports Windows and even Linux. Apple Password Manager? Will this be tied to iCloud? Will I be able to use it on Android? If I no longer have an iPhone will it be a pain to maintain an…

>People don't want everything tied to one identity, one service, one login.

You'd be surprised. People want a neat solution so they don't have to deal with multiple nuissances.

They worry less about vendor lock-in (if they even understand the issue unless it's bitten them, and then they can consider the costs of switching as totally normal and expected, similar to how they just go find app replacements for platform-exclusive software).

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by paulryanrogers »

ciroduran wrote: post #415
pmontra wrote: post #389

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I have yet to notice a site asking me a passkey.

Funny enough, you can use a passkey to log in with Nintendo

Yet if the limit is one then you'll still need a fallback like forgot password. Because the original device may fail.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by Zach_the_Lizard »

esskay wrote: post #420
tsimionescu wrote: post #416

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In what ways are desktop Windows boxes as closed as Apple? I would say there are many many things to fault Microsoft for, but closing down the OS has never been one of them (though that is gradually changing outside the EU, to be fair).

Counter point - in what ways is macOS 'closed' and Windows not? And I am specifically talking about macOS, not iOS.

MacOS is only licensed for use in Apple branded hardware, as I understand it. Even running it in a VM could be problematic if that host isn't running MacOS.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by 4death4 »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #343
4death4 wrote: post #334

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You should read this piece in the NYT titled “The Tyranny of Convenience” [1]. It asserts that your entire worldview is essentially flawed. En masse, people do what is most convenient, which is completely orthogonal to what is right / wrong / best / worst. For instance, it’s an empirical fact that eating healthy and getting exercise is better than eating poorly and living a sedentary life. Yet, most people live seden…

But this is precisely the problem. If you want the right thing to happen, you can't allow the wrong thing to be more convenient. "The wrong thing is more convenient so STFU" is the flawed worldview, because it's what causes the wrong thing to continue happening. Now consider what happens if people do the opposite. Instead of defending convenience as an end unto itself as Moloch would have it, you create friction agai…

The flaw in your logic is that you’re taking too myopic a view. In your world “making something worse” is somehow divorced from the tyranny of convenience, but in reality it’s not. Changing society is itself inconvenient, and therefore unlikely to happen unless leaving society as-is is less convenient.

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Post by nathan_douglas »

pmontra wrote: post #437
doctor_eval wrote: post #423

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Really? That’s how I log into GitHub!

I stopped logging in into there since they forced 2FA on me because of an old contribution to an open source project. It's too much of a pain and I don't need to be logged in to look at the code of the modules or libraries I'm using or I could use. As collateral damage, I stopped opening issues on open source projects, that was maybe two or three issues per year. All my customers are on Bitbucket at the moment and it…

If you have something like 1Password, it takes one or two clicks to set up 2FA for a given site and Passkey setup for a given site is pretty painless. There’s even a decent amount of CLI integration for signing commits, etc. As a federal contractor working in and out of higher security areas, 2FA and Passkey are… really not intrusive or disruptive to my daily life.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by godzillabrennus »

I’ve had my iCloud account corrupted twice since they switched from dot Mac. Zero chance I’ll ever trust Apple with anything serious. I don’t even trust them to keep my contacts safe from corruption. Never going to trust them with my passwords.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by kcplate »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #347
kcplate wrote: post #316

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People are driven away from open standards to vendors like Apple because so much open stuff just sucks so goddamn bad . So will Apple one day fuck me over? Perhaps, but in the meantime their shit just works and I am going to use it because I don’t have time to spend hours troubleshooting why manufacturer A doesn’t work with free publisher B when free driver C is loaded.

But have you thought to ask why that is? The general mechanism for free software to be developed is for the individual users to make modifications. Not all of them, of course, but the ones who know how to. Someone sees something wrong, fixes it. Apple interferes with this. If you don't like an app on your iPhone, even if it's open source, you can't just make a minor change because for that you have to pay $100/year a…

> Not only that, you can't distribute a half-finished app to the public -- even if it's free -- because it wouldn't pass review.

Ahhh so you want the public to do your QA for you and don’t mind interfering with their productivity when the first iterations of your software are a buggy mess? I am ok with Apple trying to keep the pests out of their garden, or providing a lockable gate like TestFlight where I can go into a testing situation with my eyes wide open and risks well understood. Your open source devs are not always great at disclosing the fact that their software is half baked and people install expecting a robust app and finding instead…a load of crap

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by tim333 »

MissTake wrote: post #438
tsimionescu wrote: post #416

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In what ways are desktop Windows boxes as closed as Apple? I would say there are many many things to fault Microsoft for, but closing down the OS has never been one of them (though that is gradually changing outside the EU, to be fair).

When using the terms “open” and “closed” with operating systems, one is traditionally talking open the source code. As such both Windows and MacOS are closed source. As for “opening up the OS” both are pretty gosh darned flexible and extensible wrt other features. However being based upon a BSD core, MacOS has had access to the Unix command line natively since forever. For Windows one used to have to rely on CgyWin b…

You said "equally as closed Windows machines."

In terms of the machine Windows is way more open in that you can use what hardware you want. But yeah the software is closed source.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by Hippocrates »

Thank god. I think 1pw has been mostly good, but it has frustrating quirks... Like requiring me to input the master password on the iOS app/OSX/Browser extension (on the same device) as if each of these apps have no way of communicating.

I constantly have issues with it not engaging on a form where I have to manually switch to 1pw, though it has gotten a bit better over the years.

I hate to see a company/product get sherlocked but I don't feel like password security was something we should need to have a subscription for.

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