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In many places in Europe there is a de-facto truce between graffiti artist and the local governments: You can paint/tag some areas. Typically noise barriers are such, while trains themselves or stations are not. Harder persecution both by authorities and self-policing in the subcult community after some prominents were persecuted and agreed with to help normalize the situation has led to the current status quo, which…
I think if it was put to a vote, most people would be against graffiti.
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>or move to a country that has no graffiti like Singapore. One of the most sterile, boring city in the world. People who pretend to make art on walls are absolute minority compared to those who'd prefer to keep walls clean, or painted, or whatever (there are plenty of options between gray, and wannabe artists spraying smileys). But somehow you offer the majority to leave. I don't think that's how it can work really
I don't offer the majority to leave. Like it or not, currently in most European countries, the law and application of laws is done so as to either encourage or at least not discourage graffitis. A lot of cities even give space to graffiti artists to paint and try to entice them. If the actual majority wanted to get rid of this problem, then it would be stopped, I'm not the one making the laws or deciding whether to a…
Well, no offence, but you idea of how society works is not particulatly correct. Both individuals, and institutions have to prioritize thousands of issues against limited resources. Because of that majority opinions doesn't necessary become policies. Only those urgent/emotional/tribal enough to become election fuel. Apparently, graffiti cannot compete with plenty of pains citizens experience now.
>A lot of cities even give space to graffiti
Try researching where it came from, and you'll see it's an attempt to civilize behavior cities found impossible to control.
So reality is that graffitists are active, and numerous to extent it's hard to fought them off the walls so to say, and while majority doesn't like it, it's not ready to re-allocate resources from other issues. This leads to equilibrium we are in at the time.
>plenty of gray boring
It makes a good excuse in the internet discussion, but it doesn't correspond to street reality. I'm in a nice medieval quarter now, and see lots of graffity across buildings which neither gray, nor boring. It is as if people who do that don't care about beauty, other humans, and all those good things usually claimed to legitimize the phenomenon
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Graffiti tends to appear on every surface which is not actively guarded. Including beautiful historical buildings, and including private properties. "Public" walls are just a visible example of a property which nobody cares about strong enough, and nobody is held responsible for (compared to a private owner who often can be fined for keeping vandalized facade as it is).
Where do you live that you see that? I see it in places that are isolated, and as a proportion of urban surface area, very small.
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#444> MetaWindow, a transparent noise barrier boasting unparalleled sound-absorbing capabilities This is about a physical product. Not a software window; and unrelated to Meta, of Facebook and Instagram fame.
Nobody outside of tech circles actually cares about how facebook's parent company is called this month. It's still facebook, it's still google, it's still twitter. Not meta, alphabet or x.
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At some point someone made me realise that almost anything that can be said about graffiti can also be said about outdoor advertising.
One is vandalism, which is a crime, and one is not. There, we have at least one delta now.
Another difference is that one of them is intentionally designed to capture my attention, usually while I'm driving, to try and get me to fork over my money. So that's another delta.
I don't love graffiti, but I do hate outdoor advertisements.
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There are a few here that are actually pretty good: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=40...
Ahh yeah, the typical reason people hate forums nowadays. Registration-wall/paywall. Amazing
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> There is a belief that removing graffiti quickly discourages it. It's the other way around, if it isn't quickly removed it will be encouraged: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows_theory
That's not really the other way around. That's 2 ways of stating basically the same thing.
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#448Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't offer the majority to leave. Like it or not, currently in most European countries, the law and application of laws is done so as to either encourage or at least not discourage graffitis. A lot of cities even give space to graffiti artists to paint and try to entice them. If the actual majority wanted to get rid of this problem, then it would be stopped, I'm not the one making the laws or deciding whether to a…
>If the actual majority wanted Well, no offence, but you idea of how society works is not particulatly correct. Both individuals, and institutions have to prioritize thousands of issues against limited resources. Because of that majority opinions doesn't necessary become policies. Only those urgent/emotional/tribal enough to become election fuel. Apparently, graffiti cannot compete with plenty of pains citizens exper…
Ok, point to you there, that would infuriate me. To be fair, I haven't traveled back to Europe since Covid (moved to Asia 20ish years ago) and I don't know if the situation has deteriorated. I didn't experience graffitis as much in places that are actually nice but I've liked them in places that are gray and drab and I remember enjoying them in Berlin and in Bruxels.
I live in Hong Kong and here quite a few people express disagreement over the government removing the works of invader and other graffiti artist (the "King of Kowloon") but to be fair, graffitis are really limited to exactly the type of places where not many would complain.
> Well, no offence, but you idea of how society works is not particulatly correct. Both individuals, and institutions have to prioritize thousands of issues against limited resources. Because of that majority opinions doesn't necessary become policies. Only those urgent/emotional/tribal enough to become election fuel. Apparently, graffiti cannot compete with plenty of pains citizens experience now.
I think it's not only limited resources, it's a political wish to be lenient against petty crime, there are plenty of countries with the same resource in term of police that are much stricter against petty crime with much more success. There's more policemen per capita in European countries like Germany, France, Spain than in Singapore, Malaysia or Japan (I was surprised looking at Wikipedia that Hong Kong as more but that makes sense given the response to the protests before COVID) [1]. They could absolutely enforce fines but they don't. Whenever I traveled back to Europe, I've not been as bothered by graffitis nearly as much as I was bothered by dog feces and littering which is absolutely everywhere and never fined.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependen...
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„Can be heard“ is not the problem we’re trying to fix, and no reasonable amount of engineering can fix that . Maybe if you converted everything to maglev and limited speeds to 20mph.
If something can be heard miles away, it usually means it is very loud close by. And this could be reduced.
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#450It's kind of laughable to see this giant, pristine pane of glass in the middle of a city on a train track. The photographer must have come the first day, because by the next this will be covered in graffiti. Which, presumably, won't at all affect its function as a sound barrier, but it think graffiti on a solid background is less grating than graffiti on a clear background will be.