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Apple's risky bet on CarPlay

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Re: Apple's risky bet on CarPlay

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Apple is a predatory partner Every partnership Apple enters must result in Apple winning and the other party simply being a subservient cog So, no one wants to do business with them in new markets where Apple doesn't have leverage This is why they couldn't get a manufacturing partner for the now-dead Apple car...no one wanted to be the Foxconn of cars (they do all the work, Apple gets all the credit)

You're suffering from Tim Cook Derangement Syndrome.

Re: Apple's risky bet on CarPlay

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Which is $10 per customer per month more than they’d get if everyone was using CarPlay / Android Auto. It’s been proven time and time again that vertical integration is a massive money earner and you can bet that if Tesla were to release a smartphone then support for that in their cars would be a software update that follows immediately after. But since there’s no plans for a phone, the next best thing is a subscript…

Can carplay live stream video from hyundai’s cameras..?

We are talking about mapping and music. Not parking sensors

Re: Apple's risky bet on CarPlay

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I'm pretty sure a touchscreen is cheaper than buttons, or at least awful close. You'll still get some buttons, unless the car maker really hates you, and hopefully something to turn for volume control (which may even work most of the time, if you're lucky).

Touchscreen is such a stupid low value move for driver. Physical knobs are safer in many ways, last much much more, I don't need to lose contact with whats happening in front of the car to manage these, just muscle memory. BMW has nice big physical knob (turn&press) to control all menus, much better than hunting on flat glossy screen with fingers. Some stuff can be managed from steering wheel, but instead of putting…

> Physical knobs are safer in many ways, last much much more, I don't need to lose contact with whats happening in front of the car to manage these, just muscle memory.

None of which some up on a spreadsheet in the manufacturer's accounting department.

Similarly: open concept offices with hot desking lowers the amount of rent (per employee) that shows up on an expense report, but the productivity drop of open offices does not.

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I'm interested in where this data is sourced: "only 21% of people will buy a car without carplay". I find that really hard to believe even if the survey was isolated to SF.

I am in that 21%. Heck, I would MUCH prefer to buy a car with no touch screens at all. All I want is a decent car ala 2004ish but with modern crash safety and headlights that don’t suck. I do not care about Bluetooth even! I realize I will not be able to buy a car with no screens due to the backup camera rules. But there is actual safety value in that for me so I’m ok with it.

I agree with the sentiment, but: how do you navigate? Especially to unknown places?

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Could we please for once stop using the term "AI" when we mean "heuristics"?

Phones do use AI though, at least iPhones. They look at all sensors (accelerometers, gps, wifi, etc).

Gosh, so the moment you use an if-statement, or an aggregate function (like sum or average), or weighting coefficients to mark some inputs as more significant than others, it's "AI" already? And I naïvely thought it was just, well, "computing". You could do "AI" on a 8086, ffs.

Re: Apple's risky bet on CarPlay

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Phones do use AI though, at least iPhones. They look at all sensors (accelerometers, gps, wifi, etc).

Gosh, so the moment you use an if-statement, or an aggregate function (like sum or average), or weighting coefficients to mark some inputs as more significant than others, it's "AI" already? And I naïvely thought it was just, well, "computing". You could do "AI" on a 8086, ffs.

Yeah, forgot the /s ... wasn't being serious.

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> why would car makers want to spend millions of dollars a year rolling their own infotainment system? This is addressed in the article: > There used to be a big difference in driving characteristics and technology between premium and budget brands. Compared to a Volkswagen, a BMW used to have a more powerful engine, better handling, and comfort features like seat-heating and cruise control. However, a Volkswagen Gol…

I’m happy with the way Mazda has integrated CarPlay. No touch while moving, the navigation wheel moves a highlight around the screen to select buttons/links. I find it much less distracting.

Audi is similar. I think also Mercedes. It’s great.

Re: Apple's risky bet on CarPlay

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There's an interesting gap when discussing carplay/aa. Cars from the 90s up until about 2013 can be easily fitted with a $500 head unit upgrade, and support carplay quite well. With the right tools, it can be done in about two hours right in your driveway. Cars from 2018 and up pretty universally support carplay, and it's generally quite well integrated into the car's infotainment system. But, between 2013 and 2017,…

I spent like $100 to put a large Carplay display in a 2007 beater Honda Accord I bought recently. Much better than my fiance's Mazda system

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GM's plan is to sell a subscription service that covers all the things you already pay for on your phone (maps, music streaming, etc). It's why they're killing CarPlay, because they know that even if their service is good, nobody will pay $20/mo for shit they already get for free on their phones. Basically, their goal in life is to be a worthless middleman who takes peoples money while providing no real value to soci…

How is GM a middleman when they are producing the product I am buying which is a car? If GM bundled OnStar with a top tier infotainment / navigation / ChatGpt / I’m hungry where do I eat app, I’ll pay for that as long as it’s reasonable and lets me know I’ll be taken care of if I crash and need assistance.

GM doing top tier tech is a joke. Also, they monetize your car data.

Re: Apple's risky bet on CarPlay

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It is bad enough that Mercedes decided to emulate Tesla. Now, fuck this, I don't want my merc dashboard to look like an IPhone. It cheapens the experience.

> Mercedes decided to emulate Tesla Except Tesla is doing it right. Mercedes software is a mess. It's hard to explain why, but use it for a few days and it's just obvious.

I am not even talking about the software, because I think it is a matter of habit and expectations, but this horrible trend of refusing to have a proper dashboard and instead just slapping what looks like a bunch of tablets in front of you, and of course, the death of physical buttons. I absolutely abhor this.
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