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Re: Meta Horizon OS

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Post by throwthrowuknow »

Mindwipe wrote: post #172
ejj28 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is at least better than nothing for companies who want to build standalone headsets and not just headsets that are dependent on PCs. Up until now everyone's had to make their own OS and store and hope that people care enough to port over apps and games. At the very least, this could lead to more high-end standalone headsets being available. Not every 3rd party headset has to be competing with the Quest l…

It seems to suggest they're limited to Qualcomm chipsets, and Qualcomm don't make a higher end VR chipset so it's hard to see where a high end headset would come from.

Displays and optics are a big one, lots of competing technologies there like OLED vs LED, pancake vs fresnel, movable optics, laser based displays, video pass through vs semitransparent or even HUD style for lower res overlays. They can also compete on audio quality for microphones and headphones, different battery solutions like hot swappable packs, corded or built in. Maybe different form factors that can distribute weight or higher quality head straps for comfort. Tracking options like more cameras for inside out or a different system for pairing with controllers or full body trackers. Even external dedicated compute that works with Air Link. If they’re making the hardware they can add whatever extra chips or sensors they want.

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Post by ImHereToVote »

_akhe wrote: post #440

Meta is smartly capturing the MR developer market like they captured the web developer market with React. In terms of Vision vs Quest - I wonder if there will be a "React Native" parallel that allows developers to write React for both Vision and Quest apps. A lot of the developer market comes down to languages: Python for AI/ML, Obj-C (Swift) for iOS, Java (Kotlin) for Android - but JavaScript always seems to weasle…

Making any multiplatform real-time 3D for Apple is such a pain. Even simply using Xcode is a nightmare.

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gausswho wrote: post #153

I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around the upside-down language that Meta is trying to execute here with the repeated use of 'open' to describe any of this. This is an invitation for other corporations to drink from their social spigot and join their walled-off app store. The word 'open' really is under multiple fronts of diffusionary attack lately. Is the Overton Window now a mobius strip?

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Post by cmiles74 »

modeless wrote: post #164

> And we encourage the Google Play 2D app store to come to Meta Horizon OS, where it can operate with the same economic model it does on other platforms. It sounds like they are specifically not open to third party app stores selling native AR/VR ("3D") apps. I can see why Google might not want to participate if they're not allowed to compete. This feels like a response to complaints that Meta is hypocritical when co…

This seems like trying to come up with an answer to Apple Vision's ability to run iOS apps. If you can install apps from Google Play then you could, if you wanted to, check your email from inside your headset.

I'm not sure many people would want to do that, but if Apple thinks it's a good idea, blah blah blah.

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Post by ryanbrunner »

bonton89 wrote: post #334
pavlov wrote: post #145

Shades of Apple licensing the Mac OS to clone hardware vendors in 1995 - 1997. It seems like Meta will be controlling the software experience quite closely, just like Apple did back in the day. There’s an important difference though: Apple made all their money on Mac hardware margins which the nimble clone vendors could undercut. Whereas for Meta, the Quest hardware has always been sold at breakeven or even as a loss…

> So there’s no kind of existential danger to Quest here, but it remains to be seen if the hardware licensees can bring anything relevant to the table either. Why would I, as a potential hardware maker, wish to compete in a market where the existing main producer is a mega wealthy entity that is already dumping product below cost and is capable of doing so indefinitely?

Google did this early on with android - originally the Google devices (Nexus) were lower end, and high end devices were left to other manufacturers. They've flipped around recently, but I think the Nexus line was a decent enough idea at the time.

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Post by _akhe »

xandrius wrote: post #290

Never wished something would quickly fail already at its announcement as much as this.

Long plane rides and TV before bed - 2 things it would be better at than what we have now. Imagine watching a 27" screen from across the room in the dark vs a screen that moves with your vision... No more awkward pillow adjusting to make a makeshift couch etc. your neck can finally just relax and you can stare at the screen however you're laying. In these cases you're not doing anything else anyway.

But yeah, the Tesla Airpod people who talk to themselves all loud outside will no doubt have a full UI of the world 24/7, gesturing like maniacs in the middle of stores, in crosswalks - just a news and stock ticker streaming across the top of their field of vision at all times. And there will of course be junkies in the streets, with - instead of smartphones - goggles on their faces, crumbled up in a brick corner just like the dystopian art showed us.

For Pareto's 20%, it's an Apple Watch, or Airpods++.

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