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Airbnb is banning indoor security cameras

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Re: Airbnb is banning indoor security cameras

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Yeah I've often forgotten and left my ipad on cellular or my phone non-aircraft-moded. No one has ever said anything so it's unlikely they have automatic detection.

It also never happened to me, but I heard of stories, where the stewardess walked around with one. But they might have gotten less paranoid about it(since nothing ever happened?). Chances of bad interference are probably very low.

I’ve flown over a thousand times and have rarely used “airplane mode”. I’ve never seen any cabin crew using anything to “detect” cellular activity or even mentioning phones.

Re: Airbnb is banning indoor security cameras

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I'm worried this ban will only affect honest hosts. Anyway, what Airbnb should really ban is hosts charging a mandatory cleaning fee when also requiring their guests to do the cleaning. We just stayed at one this weekend, and like almost all our previous bookings, the host asked us to: - Take off all bedding and towels and start a load of laundry - Do all the dishes and start the dishwasher (but required to hand-wash…

Re: will only affect honest hosts It still probably helps reduce surveillance a fair bit: - honest host who currently disclosed cameras will stop - dishonest hosts who are worried about getting caught will stop (most aren’t tech savvy enough to hide cameras, catching them isn’t hard, and they don’t want to risk getting kicked off platform) - really dishonest hosts who hide cameras will get kicked off platform if caug…

A host can’t complain about you breaking the camera if they didn’t say there’s one there.

cctv cameras in non public places and with no oversight (including video doorbells etc) are a cancer on society

Re: Airbnb is banning indoor security cameras

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I'm a digital nomad. One luggage, no permanent home, been fifteen years. I used to use AirBnB all the time. They gradually become more and more, well, "large company". Governments gradually made AirBnB illegal or effectively illegal, largely or wholly killing off AirBnB in given cities, or countries. For example, it used to be about impossible to get into Amsterdam, because of rent control and renting regulations; no…

> For example, it used to be about impossible to get into Amsterdam, because of rent control and renting regulations; no supply of places to let. Then AirBnB came along, and everyone and their dog let places on AirBnB. You could get in, and at a good price. Then AirBnB was essentially banned, and now you can't get into Amsterdam. Slightly off topic, and not aimed at you in particular but at tourists in general: For t…

Will you say the same for Paris, London, Rome, Milan, New York, Miami, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Beijing, Tokyo, Hongkong, Singapore, and Seoul? All of those cities (and more!) fit this template: "X is expensive and overcrowded." Yeah, and they have lots of interesting culture so people want to visit. They are willing to pay the high prices and put up with crowds.

Re: Airbnb is banning indoor security cameras

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First off: https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/travel/airbnb-has-a-plan-... And secondly if you reread my post you’ll see that I think it’s morally wrong to charge a cleaning fee AND expect guests to clean as well. That’s double dipping.

My cleaning fee is for washing the bedding, mopping the floors, wash inside the oven, was inside the refrigerator, vacuum all floors, wash all floors, clean every surface, scrub the shower, scrub the toilets, clean the sink and mirror, etc etc. None of which I expect guests to do. So it's not double dipping. You've been explained why you're wrong ten times now, and still drone on about it. Maybe airbnb just isn't for…

This is a public forum.

If I have a strong feeling on something, why do you feel I should not talk about it?

It is your opinion that I am wrong. It is not a fact that I am wrong.

You say you have a cabin - I’ve booked Cabins in the Hocking Hills area of Ohio (not via Airbnb). They’ve never had cleaning fees.

If they can handle this, why can’t you?

Re: Airbnb is banning indoor security cameras

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All of the above makes total sense (to me) when you realize that people don't know how to price rentals at all - just like the average person doesn't know how to price restaurant food. When you know truly how to price (and cost!) something, you know when and where you can offer discounts. If cost to acquire a tenant is $2k, then the discount to preserve a good tenant should be about $2k per tenant turnover time .

> the average person doesn't know how to price restaurant food Could you be more specific?

I think they're referring to estimating what restaurant food "should" cost, based on what it is. Rule of thumb I heard years ago was aiming to sell for about 3x what your ingredients cost you plus tax, but that may have increased since.

Re: Airbnb is banning indoor security cameras

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In my experience Airbnb isn’t even cheaper, just has more “interesting” housing available. Back to the topic - removing listings isn’t a sufficient enough punishment imho. And how would you even prove it from the guests side? Take a picture I suppose? But how do you stop bad actors? Not sure what the correct solution is. Someone who wants to spy can purchase a spy camera which is very abundant these days.

"In my experience Airbnb isn’t even cheaper, just has more “interesting” housing available." I still, can not wrap my head around this. The idea behind airbnb was to rent out unused parts of your house. You STILL can not do this. Motel 6 is cheaper all day everyday. I will keep giving my $80 to Motel 6, but, I KNOW there is someone out there that has a room and needs $80. The original problem still exists. I can't pa…

This changes when travelling with kids.

Re: Airbnb is banning indoor security cameras

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a digital nomad. One luggage, no permanent home, been fifteen years. I used to use AirBnB all the time. They gradually become more and more, well, "large company". Governments gradually made AirBnB illegal or effectively illegal, largely or wholly killing off AirBnB in given cities, or countries. For example, it used to be about impossible to get into Amsterdam, because of rent control and renting regulations; no…

I think it’s a good thing that laws are being passed to make it mostly impossible for AirBnbs to be in residential areas and to make it easier for residents to find affordable houses instead of tourists

I may be wrong, but I think the real solution is to increase supply, not constrain demand.

Indeed, constraining demand acts to constrain a factor which acts to encourage supply.

Re: Airbnb is banning indoor security cameras

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Hasn't been a problem for me. I apply common sense and do the absolute minimum, usually starting the dishwasher. They can ask me to do whatever they want but it has no teeth. I've never seen one of our hosts complain in a review either.

Which also shows you how little oversight they have - I guarantee that there are a sizeable number of places that are not inspected after each stay, let alone clean.

This would be so obvious I have trouble seeing how you might believe it. The bed wouldn't be made, the dishes wouldn't be cleaned, the items of the house wouldn't be put back.

It is also trivial to look at a bed and see if the sheets have been cleaned even if the bed was made -- hair shows up easily if not other stains.

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