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Post by kbolino »

silverquiet wrote: post #424
kbolino wrote: post #416

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I don't think the author's credentials alter the dynamic at play here.

Would it be better if he just kept quiet and let the health issues he is seeing go unmentioned because otherwise it would make people look bad? Do you think his book is just an exercise in mockery because he enjoys it?

"You suffer because of your politics" is laundering a political statement under the guise of health.

And yes, I do think mockery has become de rigeur in American politics, both left and right.

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Post by frizlab »

imp0cat wrote: post #80
frizlab wrote: post #53

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I am European and hate all the regulations they’ve done so far. I know it’s a very rare pov, but for me all of these new legislations are terrible both for the consumers AND the small developers (which I am both). The ONLY people getting something are the somewhat big companies.

Including USB-C? I find that hard to believe.

USB-C was the first to grind my gear. Believe it or not I like the feel of the lightning plug and still prefer it over USB-C. I don’t care about transfer speed or whatnot for my phone I use the cable exclusively for charging.

EDIT: In any case it’s not even the lightning vs. USB-C that matters it’s the fact that the plug is mandatory. What if someone discovers a revolutionary plug someday? Well too bad, can’t use it because EU decided USB-C is perfect.

Re: Facing reality about the EU is a core requirement for good management

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Post by silverquiet »

kbolino wrote: post #441
silverquiet wrote: post #424

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would it be better if he just kept quiet and let the health issues he is seeing go unmentioned because otherwise it would make people look bad? Do you think his book is just an exercise in mockery because he enjoys it?

"You suffer because of your politics" is laundering a political statement under the guise of health. And yes, I do think mockery has become de rigeur in American politics, both left and right.

If people are indeed suffering because of their politics, is there any way to ease their suffering without making a political statement of some kind?

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Post by dangus »

marcosdumay wrote: post #264
dangus wrote: post #110

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The sheer volume of electric car startup companies shows that Elon Musk was in the right place at the right time. The reason there are a lot of EV startups is because the powertrain is simple. You don’t need an army of engine plants and parts suppliers to build an EV. That is the disruptive part about the EV, which has nothing to do with anything unique to Elon Musk. Also, he didn’t found the company, he was just an…

It's as if everybody just forgot that the world was full of propaganda against electric cars (hey, hydrogen is the future!), regulation was heavily stopping any car startup, and the catch-22 problem of not being able to charge because nobody had electric cars existed. Nobody was making a car startup on that scene. It's been what, a decade and half? It's amazing how people forget.

What I’m saying is that just because Tesla was the first doesn’t mean that they or someone else wouldn’t have done something similar without Elon Musk at the helm.

What changed is that batteries got cheap and more dense than they were. That change happened whether or not Tesla existed. China at the very least would still have a massive EV market without Tesla.

Re: Facing reality about the EU is a core requirement for good management

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Post by input_sh »

troupo wrote: post #440
input_sh wrote: post #202

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I don't agree, but I can't quote GDPR because it's much older than GDPR. It's from a 2002 ePrivacy Directive, which is still in force, but on its way out and therefore less heavily enforced. ePrivacy Regulation is supposed to eventually deprecate it. The initial idea was for both GDPR and ePR to be enforced from the same date, but that obviously hasn't happened.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39603540

> Even that law (which got updated along to align with GDPR IIRC) does't require the cookie banners that the industry has barfed up.

Yeah it does[0], and no it didn't get updated. ePrivacy Regulation which was supposed to make it deprecated was never voted on.

[0] "Where such devices, for instance cookies, are intended for a legitimate purpose, such as to facilitate the provision of information society services, their use should be allowed on condition that users are provided with clear and precise information in accordance with Directive 95/46/EC about the purposes of cookies or similar devices so as to ensure that users are made aware of information being placed on the terminal equipment they are using. Users should have the opportunity to refuse to have a cookie or similar device stored on their terminal equipment. This is particularly important where users other than the original user have access to the terminal equipment and thereby to any data containing privacy-sensitive information stored on such equipment. Information and the right to refuse may be offered once for the use of various devices to be installed on the user's terminal equipment during the same connection and also covering any further use that may be made of those devices during subsequent connections. The methods for giving information, offering a right to refuse or requesting consent should be made as user-friendly as possible. Access to specific website content may still be made conditional on the well-informed acceptance of a cookie or similar device, if it is used for a legitimate purpose."

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Post by RandomLensman »

epistasis wrote: post #438
RandomLensman wrote: post #421

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What is your evidence for the point around colonies? Are there any primary sources from people like Schuman, for example? WWI also showed that economic integration doesn't always prevent wars, Russia recently isn't a great example, because the integration was pretty limited.

My main source of the idea comes from Timothy Snyder, who argues primarily based on timing. European countries continued wars after WW2, just their imperial wars, against the people that they didn't think deserved having national self determination. And as the big maritime empires lost an imperial war, that's when they joined the EU. The Dutch and French lose their colonies, time to join up. UK lost their empire late…

Thanks.

The French lost most of their colonies later than the concept/creation European Coal and Steel Community, for example, and the UK joined much later. My impression was that in the late 1940s/early 1950s some of the ideas around overcoming the old animosity between France and Germany were genuine (at least from listening to people around at the time). On some of the later moves I have less insight into - perhaps it was a mix and/or varying motives?

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Post by graemep »

Yujf wrote: post #433
graemep wrote: post #402

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The GDPR and DMA are mostly good. GDPR should have exemptions for organisations with smaller amounts of data who do not trade in it. A lot of EU laws have also been bad. VATMOSS (especially with the very low initial limit to register) was initially a disaster. It actually deterred people from trading within the EU! The commission's attempt at chat surveillance was thrown out by the parliament, but they will try again…

I don't know the details about VATMOSS but will look into it. I agree that chat control and the initial thing about software security not having a FOSS exemption were problematic. As far as I know, an exemption for FOSS authors was added. I think it is important to acknowledge that many regulations are not perfect and I would push for more revisions on the details (although changes in the law also have a real cost as…

> As far as I know, an exemption for FOSS authors was added.

last time I caught up on it, it was a very narrow exemption that was only of use to pure hobby projects.

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Post by soueuls »

The author makes some good points.

But then he also spends the few paragraphs laughing about executives operating based on beliefs/ideologies instead of facts.

Just to talk about EU letting some countries sliding into fascism.

Fascism : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

It seems that the author is also reasoning by pure ideology, ignoring simple facts.

Absolutely no countries in the EU are remotely close to being a fascist state.

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Post by VWWHFSfQ »

troupo wrote: post #411
dageshi wrote: post #304

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I don't know, I can say the EU uses them itself... https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_24_... If that site needs a cookie banner I'm guessing nearly all sites do.

> I don't know Exactly. And this doesn't surprise me. The law states: if you collect more data than is strictly required for your site[1] to function and/or send user data to third parties, you have to: - tell the users about it - let the users to opt out, where opt out must be as easy as opt in - if the users opt out, the site[1] must continue working So yes, that site does send some extra data to third-parties, and…

> And yet... "I don't know".

What is there to know? Nearly every website on the western internet has these cookie banners including the EU's own government sites.

The practical consequences of the laws are now apparent.

So what did we all miss that was hidden in the legalese?

Re: Facing reality about the EU is a core requirement for good management

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Post by kbolino »

pydry wrote: post #434
kbolino wrote: post #410

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Practical politics is more visceral than intellectual. A lot of people have first-hand experience with government-provided healthcare through the military and VA, and for many of them, it's not a positive experience. A lot of effort could be expended by the government to improve the quality of its own workforce and the incentive structure under which they operate, but that is boring and unsexy work, which always gets…

>Practical politics is more visceral than intellectual. A lot of people have first-hand experience with government-provided healthcare through the military and VA, and for many of them, it's not a positive experience. I mean, a majority of Republicans want single payer. A majority of the people where I live (in a country with single payer)... also want single payer. It's objectively a very popular policy. The majorit…

Identifying why this person thinks they're two different things and why they're opposed to what seems to you to just be an extension of an existing, popular thing would be more useful than looking at the apparent contradiction and inferring there's something deficient about the messenger. American politics is suffused with propaganda from all sides; people latch onto available messages based upon feelings.
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