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ShotSpotter: listening in on the neighborhood

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Re: ShotSpotter: listening in on the neighborhood

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Says who? The people behind these invasive systems who push back hard on the slightest attempt at basic accountability?

You know who else pushes back at accountability? Criminals. The more data the good guys collect, the safer they can keep us from bad guys.

The word you’re looking for is “tyrant.” In other words, people with unrestricted authority to beat, kill, rob, spy, or do whatever they want with us. And tyrants don’t keep us safe.

“Good guys,” on the other hand, respect the rule of law. It shouldn’t refer to people shielded from legal liability who spouts the “tough on crime” rhetoric to excuse themselves from their own criminal behavior.

Re: ShotSpotter: listening in on the neighborhood

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The voice recordings were only picked up because they were incident to shootings. Without the shooting, the audio wouldn't have been written out to file or ever be heard by anyone.

Says who? The people behind these invasive systems who push back hard on the slightest attempt at basic accountability?

> Says who?

Rigorous audits in technically savvy jurisdictions: * San Francisco has a technical population that has passed numerous ordinances focused on protecting privacy of San Franciscans in balance with protecting safety. As such, the San Francisco city government has a Committee on Information Technology, which has a Privacy and Surveillance Advisory Board that evaluates and audits privacy-impacting technology used by the city. Here are their evaluations that cleared ShotSpotter for use in San Francisco. [0] [1]

Logic: * Why would city government officials pay the very high cost for ShotSpotter (it's $73k per square mile here in my city, Chicago) if they couldn't audit the system or impost contractual, legally enforceable privacy protections? * ShotSpotter has been a company for a long time, but the only evidence this article presents of ShotSpotter collecting verbal communications is from two courts cases where the verbal communication was incident to a shooting. At some point, absence of evidence becomes pretty plausible evidence of absence.

Economics: * They have to pay for staff to review every loud noise to meet negotiated SLAs for alert response times (typically under 120s), so they have an incentive to not send audio samples off of sensor-devices unless there's a gunshot-like noise. * They have no way to monitize loose bits of audio of unidentified people just walking around near sensors, but it would cost money to store this data and would cost a lot of money to organize it for search-ability.

Physics: * These sensors are mounted high up on poles and buildings, and they are not directional. If sensors have high enough sensitivity to pick up street level voices, then there's a ton of other ambient noise that they'd pick up and the signal would be trash most of the time. It is just the distinct loudness of gunshots that trigger the audio to be written out + transmitted, and the loudness of people while they are in the excited emotional state [needed to shoot someone, or created by being shot or being near a shooting] that enable these recordings to capture audible vocals.

> The people behind these invasive systems who push back hard on the slightest attempt at basic accountability?

I get that that feels true to you, but it's not true. ShotSpotter is a company selling a product to city governments, who have constrained budgets and adequate legal departments and can cut ShotSpotter if they aren't happy with ShotSpotter (my city is dropping ShotSpotter service in September [2]). There are a ton of forces enforcing accountability.

[0] https://sfcoit.org/sites/default/files/2020-11/SFPD_ShotSpot...

[1] https://sfcoit.org/sites/default/files/2020-11/SFPD_ShotSpot...

[2] https://www.npr.org/2024/02/15/1231394334/shotspotter-gunfir...

Re: ShotSpotter: listening in on the neighborhood

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This is fantastic! I have been thinking about building something like this myself. I'm definitely going to deploy this in my area. I hear gunshots almost every weekend. Heard 2 sets of gunfire about an hour ago.

Please get out of Pine Bluff and sell your properties for whatever you can recoup. You are putting yourself into way too much danger for a father of 3. There is a very real chance you will die by your constant confrontations with thieves there. It's not worth it. Years later you don't have progress on any business there. It's not the place to be for you.

It's a very real possibility. I believe this is the gunfire I heard: https://katv.com/news/local/pine-bluff-police-searching-for-...

This is one block east of my new warehouse.

I am making progress though. It may not be visible to users yet, but I'm actually starting to get the infrastructure set up to begin processing media at the new location, and am running for mayor with some ideas that should eliminate all crime here... If successful, I think it could bode well for the elimination of crime everywhere.

I looked to nature for solutions to predators. Predators and criminals need constant sources of food/targets, but Cicadas emerge periodically and overwhelm the predator population. During lean times, the predator population shrinks.

By periodically clamping down HARD, criminals will be forced to target riskier and riskier targets. Then the key is our ability to hunt. There is nothing humans are better at than hunting. We can hunt things to extinction, and criminal activity is no different.

Criminals that can't crime, will have to find other sources of income. If we set up easy sources of lawful income, they will move in that direction.

The choice for a criminal becomes starve, or change.

I truly believe that technology and fast responses can make the difference.

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