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Just 137 crypto miners use 2.3% of total U.S. power

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Re: Just 137 crypto miners use 2.3% of total U.S. power

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2.3% to support so little economic activity is just insane. This is the type of tragedy of the commons issue where regulation is needed. For any one actor they can justify spending infinity energy as long as their ROI is positive. There are enough justifications out there that it's easy to convince oneself that you're doing the world a favor ("I'm just librating finance and fighting the good fight against the central…

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Re: Just 137 crypto miners use 2.3% of total U.S. power

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> want to know where OP lives, having an all electric heating setup anywhere in the world where it gets cold enough is incredibly inefficient I'm in Wyoming. My heat is direct electric. The house doesn't have ducting and Wyoming power is cheap.

A bit of a tangent, but do you mind saying what you pay per kWh? I'm currently on £0.36 GBP per kWh (about $0.45). Just wondering what counts as cheap!

> do you mind saying what you pay per kWh?

5.604¢ for my last bill. (About 6¢ after taxes.)

Re: Just 137 crypto miners use 2.3% of total U.S. power

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> The EIA found that the global share of Bitcoin mining that takes place in the U.S. grew from 3.4% in 2020 to a whopping 37.8% in 2022. What drove that? Since this is the kind of thing that you could do pretty much anywhere, why should a such a disproportionate amount of it happen in the US?

China push them out after they figured out bitcoin was a huge waste of resources and also that they couldn't control it like they could their own potential digital currencies

Re: Just 137 crypto miners use 2.3% of total U.S. power

#446

If this is economically unproductive work, why are the miners being rewarded for it? Is it just that the market hasn't figured out what the detractors here seem to know? Or is it that they don't understand as much about economics as they think they do?

because they don't have to pay carbon taxes on it, because the current market doesn't price in environmental damage for nearly no useful return currently.

Re: Just 137 crypto miners use 2.3% of total U.S. power

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(All money is make-believe)

I agree, fwiw. Let's move on to a post-money communist society.

which will never work since it doesn't account for greed and self-preservation instincts that are innate in human nature. Communism is just one step removed from anarchy and tribalism OR authoritarian government that says it's "communist"

Re: Just 137 crypto miners use 2.3% of total U.S. power

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post #44
post #12

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Yeah those companies generally use that energy to produce things of value to people

The cryptocurrency has value! Maybe we agree that it's shitty, but its value is abundantly clear. It has a price and a nonzero trading volume. An economy that prioritized at human wellbeing or moral value (and had the might to impose it) might be nice, but it's a far cry from the current reality of market forces determining what gets produced.

fentanyl also has value, but it also kills (unnecessarily) more 18-45 year olds than anything else (USA). Just because people pay for something doesn't mean it's not something that shouldn't taken off the market for the betterment of society. I consider bitcoin in that same area.

Re: Just 137 crypto miners use 2.3% of total U.S. power

#450

Never thought a site called "Hacker News" would be so anti-technology as I'm seeing in these comments. Use the energy. We'll start making more of it and cheaper. Everyone benefits.

We're still logical and see bitcoin as a drain on society, morality, and damages the environment for zero utility outside of a tiny tiny tiny part of the population who speculate on it, most of who will also lose more than they gain eventually.
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