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I don't know. Maybe treat others as you yourself would like to be treated?
Sales is not "fair", like engineering is "fair". If a salesperson fails to make the sale, everyone else in the company suffers. If enough salespeople suck, then no one has jobs.
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I gave something like 6 weeks notice at my last job and by mutual agreement spent most of that time doing presentations and updating docs to sunset my bus factor. The mistake isn't on the part of the worker who has the courtesy to minimise the disruption of their departure, it's the employer who poisons that well. Of course, power dynamics being what they are, it's the worker who pays the price.
> "sunset my bus factor" Completely OT: I absolutely know what you mean, but ugh, corporate jargon.
I do feel a bit ashamed of unironically using "sunset", although in my case it was more in the sense of "ride off into the ~". It was my last corp job (hopefully) ever.
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I believe it is unfair to treat people in HR like that. To think about it, they got their job the same way we did (say engineers, or in case of the person on the video sales). I am sure some of them also got fired. More than that people who worked in HR went through hell during COVID and hire freeze. So yes, the job of HR is to hire and fire people. And of course doing some human resources things, but in reality prot…
>I believe it is unfair to treat people in HR like that. If people do a job that is shitty to other people — including doing this zombie dance — they are absolutely part of the problem and should be called out for it. >It is like being mad at the nurse/doctor at the hospital, that can tell you that she cannot do something for free, just because it is policy of the hospital. If what the nurse cannot do is normal human…
Aside from that there is a visible gender discrimination in the sector towards men as well the education discrimination. When these two are combined, they act as gatekeepers, which makes the whole sector worse.
Less psychologist and more law and economy graduates was how it was before. For them the communication is the key aspect of their careers, so most of them have it under their thumb. No one really complained about old Personnel Departments and the info was there and they were actually knowledgeable about their job.
The education really can make difference sometime. As we can see, these two do not know how to handle situation, and are repeating the speech that most of the people probably already heard, without thinking.
Hell, I think that someone could make HR AI that would do the better job.
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To me it sounds like excelent video for making a legal case againts Britanny, I'd be very upset if someone would be secretly recording a meeting with me as a HR person. Guess that depends on a state, but good luck finding another corporate job.
She's in Georgia, and Georgia, like most states, is a "one-party consent" state for purposes of making audio recordings of conversations. They'd have no case at all.
I resent the judgmental attitude being expressed in some of the top comments. In the US at least, we’ve been socialized into believing workers need to “watch their manners” while corporations can get away with murder. Here, a worker is clearly being wronged and some random HR goons want the whole thing to proceed as a normal, matter-of-fact 15-minute meeting. They’re going to email severance and equipment return info…
Could not agree more. Older generations wonder why younger generations are "quiet quitting" and using all this anti-capitalist rhetoric when in the same breath they're sending HR goons (great term for it) to do their dirty work.
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The facts support the reason ( 0 sales), although there are nuances ( timeframe - 4,5 months) There's also a lot of missing context. - what happened in those 3 opportunities that she tried to close a deal - perhaps she's missing a technical background to actually close a deal, since Cloudflare is a very technical product No one from us knows the details, so it's speculation. 4,5 months is still a bit fast though. Get…
You went from "the facts supported the reason" to "we don't have all the facts necessary to know if the facts supported the reason." to "from the facts we know, the reason seems sus."
You don't need to know everything, to acknowledge that 0 sales supports a bad performance review.
Here's additionally info that you didn't knew: https://softwarestackinvesting.com/cloudflare-net-q2-2023-ea... - profitability
100 people were fired and replaced, in the hope to get less underperforming sales people.
=> Facts support this situation and it's consistent to what happened in may last year too.
This is a follow up with the people that were layed off for underperforming. To see if they weren't...
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She's in Georgia, and Georgia, like most states, is a "one-party consent" state for purposes of making audio recordings of conversations. They'd have no case at all.
Making them? Sure. Sharing them on chinese owned social network? I'd be very very surprised.
As others have already mentioned, she could have signed an NDA, but those are typically narrow and only apply to technical data, marketing data, sales data, etc. There could be something in there about "internal processes," but it's a stretch.
She could have signed a non-disparagement agreement, but there's nothing in the video which constitutes disparagement.
So I'd assume that she's probably okay. And she did a good thing by posting it.
Besides, legal action would need to come from Cloudflare, which would be an extremely bad look for them.
I have personal wiki pages for companies, where I record things like interesting HN posts about them, notes about their products, and a log of recruiting interactions. All on one page. Were I to pull up this company's wiki page while talking with a recruiter, this video is like, on a first date, someone being rude to the waiter, while they smile at you. Strong signal about what they truly are. In this case, a stereot…
Great idea! You should add this too then: https://twitter.com/TheTranscript_/status/165269146916406886...
For the sake of argument, let's say that blaming sales numbers on the salespeople was correct, and that culling was the right response. Then maybe the recent hire person in the video was included inadvertently, or indifferently.
But I wouldn't take it as a given that the salespeople were the root problem. (Someone hired those people, mandated the framework in which they operate, designed the products for which they have to find buyers, etc.). And the tone with which a company is discarding its people tells you how they think about their people.
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It's a possibility
In sales? Building relationships with clients?
https://arstechnica.com/google/2024/01/google-lays-off-hundr...
I get why Brittany's mad: Cloudflare appears to be handling this about as bad as possible. But those two HR randos aren't gonna have anything worthwhile to say, either. I don't want to be judgmental of Brittany because it's a sucky call to have to take. But my recommendation in this situation is to say "I disagree with that assessment of my performance, but I understand you are terminating my employment. What details…
> But those two HR randos aren't gonna have anything worthwhile to say, either. companies explicitly construct situations like this such that the person being screwed doesn't have access to anyone making a decision, just other peons implementing them.
I feel like companies should just be more upfront about things like "hey, we over hired. This sucks. But you're fired. Here's a generous severance."