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IT employment grew by just 700 jobs in 2023

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Post by charcircuit »

alasdair_ wrote: post #371
sidlls wrote: post #247

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Some tech is. Meanwhile large tech companies that are actually innovating (FAANG, near-FAANG, and FAANG-adjacent companies) are not. My comp has never been higher, and we're hiring. In the bay area.

I’m honestly unable to name a single innovation from a FAANG that wasn’t just buying another company or cloning a competitor in the last five years. What has Meta or Google or Microsoft actually innovated on recently?

These companies are always innovating. Google doesn't just say "Our ad recommendation system is good enough, lets just go into maintenence mode for a year." No. They constantly are trying to improve their models, switch to a better architecture, and innovate to try and eke out a few more percentage points of conversions.

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Post by democracy »

Tommah wrote: post #289
deathanatos wrote: post #270

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You probably say that in jest, but I have seen — multiple times — someone just go and delete all the tickets. Boom! 0 tickets. No bugs, totes. /s

Reposting my comment from a couple of months ago: At one of my jobs, they used Asana when I started. It was too full of backlogged issues, so we moved over to Jira. Then Jira got too full. A month before I was laid off, one of my coworkers said, "Maybe we should try out Asana."

that could be a great feature of a new product - "your jira is full? time to move on to...." ))

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Post by coldtrait »

delphico wrote: post #339

While a vast majority of comments here seem to indicate a lot of jobs being moved offshore, there are massive layoffs (even entities shutting shop in India. Github closed its office here, Twitter reduced its presence dramatically etc. Where I work, there are no back-fills for voluntary attrition or restructuring). Layoffs are a taboo of some kind here too, affected are treated as "non-performers" and recruiters will…

I was part of a somewhat well known US based product company that set up shop here in 2022 and laid off their entire India team in 2023 too. I am still looking for a job and I am terrible at Leetcode interviews in general. Things are looking grim.

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Post by democracy »

hnthrowaway0328 wrote: post #274
orochimaaru wrote: post #36

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I think a lot of big-co are setting up subsidiaries overseas and hiring there. It's different from the contract based offshoring model that happened in 2007 or so which had rather disastrous results. I know my company has and plans to have almost 1/2 its IT workforce as direct employees overseas.

Yep ours are hiring from India directly. Rumor says head of IT has a affiliated company set up...

It's possible, in one of my jobs the senior project manager was found to hold a stake in one of the outsourcing companies working for us and was terminated under conflict of interest.

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Post by democracy »

ptero wrote: post #200
closeparen wrote: post #173

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At the same time, US salaries are either $300k+ in the Bay Area or $0 and unemployed, there's still no appetite to let someone work for e.g. $150k in a normal metro area.

There are many large, stable, profitable companies that are hiring software engineers. They are not software houses, but they pay well for a comfortable life (outside of NYC and Bay Area) and offer good work-life balance. For some examples you can look at medical devices, utilities, manufacturing, IBMs and Walmarts and R&D departments of virtually any large non-software company. But there are frictions, too. Unless y…

Frankly I miss these annoying outlook calendar notifications, these days nothing comes close to be that invasive )

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Post by closeparen »

mrguyorama wrote: post #232
closeparen wrote: post #176

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Yes, that's what economic equality means.

"But but but but my CV enlarging JS framework wankery for the spotify of deli meats is obviously so much more valuable to people than a bartender!"

A good day's work in software development delights the end-user to at least the extent of a well made craft cocktail. That seems like a good standard to hold for yourself. There just tend to be just a few more users for a software product than the capacity of a neighborhood bar on a given evening.

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Post by hasty_pudding »

alasdair_ wrote: post #371
sidlls wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some tech is. Meanwhile large tech companies that are actually innovating (FAANG, near-FAANG, and FAANG-adjacent companies) are not. My comp has never been higher, and we're hiring. In the bay area.

I’m honestly unable to name a single innovation from a FAANG that wasn’t just buying another company or cloning a competitor in the last five years. What has Meta or Google or Microsoft actually innovated on recently?

They havent innovated on anything of significance in decades. They just sit on their cash crops and buy up startups.

Re: IT employment grew by just 700 jobs in 2023

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Post by hasty_pudding »

fragmede wrote: post #407
alasdair_ wrote: post #371

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I’m honestly unable to name a single innovation from a FAANG that wasn’t just buying another company or cloning a competitor in the last five years. What has Meta or Google or Microsoft actually innovated on recently?

Self-driving cars, from the Google self-driving car project, which was later renamed Waymo, kinda seems like a big deal to me.

Will be interesting to see if they keep it going or shut it gown.

Google has a way of starting something and then shutting it down.

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nightski wrote: post #285
madsbuch wrote: post #244

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I am realising that this is what taxes pays for in Denmark. I have a masters in computer science (5 year, postgraduate + thesis, Aarhus University which is top 100 and even higher for PL + semantics, which is my thesis subject) that I received tuition free and I am continuing with a professional degree in business at a reasonable tuition at 10k USD for the entire degree . It appears like continual learning should be…

I don't necessarily think it needs to be government run. The best schools in America are private. Ironically government support (the federal student loan system) is imo largely responsible for crazy high tuition in the U.S. Maybe there is just less demand in Denmark? But I feel like demand surged here, and with easy access to capital it drove prices to absurd levels.

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Post by vinniepukh »

lgleason wrote: post #113

Yet many still deny there is an issue with jobs and keep asking for more lenient immigration policies. There is no shortage of IT workers. There is/was a shortage of workers who were willing to work for peanuts.

I’d much rather compete with an immigrant who is in the U.S. and has the same cost structure as me than we someone based in India/LATAM and will undercut me on wage 3x.
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